Serbian leader in Kosovo killed - what happens now?

Serbian leader in Kosovo killed - what happens now?

edited January 17 in News & Events
This is pretty scary news. 

Albanians deny responsibility, you believe them?


  • I believe no one. Only one thing is certain now, he'll become immortal, in fact the process is ongoing already. All day long people are paying respects in Serbian cities, lighting candles in churches and praying. One politician (Muslim) cried on air on national TV, the government stopped all minor activities etc. This man will the symbol of Serbian struggle. Plus he wasn't in bed with neither Serbian leaders nor Albanians, Rasim Ljajić (the one who cried) said that Ivanović was too normal for Kosovo, too rational.
  • oh gosh. who wanted him dead? anything I can read to understand what’s going on in your part of the world? 
  • edited January 17
    @saltycola I live here and I don't get it... He was a moderate Serbian politician in Kosovo. Not long ago he was in put custody by Albanian authorities for alleged war crimes in '99/2000 with no evidence whatsoever. Just use internet access :) google Kosovo, Serbia, Oliver Ivanović. Western media tend to have bias against Serbia, then again pro regime Russian media probably have pro Serbian bias (I suppose you don't speak Serbo-Croatian, but you can try that too, I warn you Serbian cyrillic will be weird to you). Read from both sources, compare it and truth will be somewhere in the middle.
  • all Russian media is super biased nowadays. I’ll try other sources and see if I get it. thanks 
  • checked out the discussion on twitter. ‘kosovo is serbia!’ ‘fuck you, kosovo is albania!’ 
    do you think that russia, by any chance, might have a role in this?
    smells like russia, it loves sparking and sustaining ethnically motivated conflicts between neighbors and hates nato- and eu-oriented countries
    there was a guy during stalin’s rule who invented this as an influence-keeping strategy; never seems to fail. will look his name up tomorrow 

    peace to our countries and goodnight
  • I would wait with accusations. Assassins could easily be Serbs.
  • why would anyone want to kill him though, supposedly he was for peace and good relations between serbs in albanians. If Albanians did do this, i lost all respect for them. 
  • edited January 17
    @saltycola Those discussions are pretty common on YT, twitter, FB, basically any place where you can leave comments. I took part in several such discussions when I was younger, but I was never that guy with insulting tone or whatever, I always tried to argument my opinion. It always followed the same pattern more or less:
    I respond to something/state something (no swear words, just facts)->get called all sorts of things by Albanian friends->I reveal that I'm actually minority in Serbia too->they get all nice and we have somewhat decent conversation->they conclude I'm brainwashed by Serbs.

    I'm 99% sure Russians had nothing to do with this. All the things you described here as Russian thing were done by the West here in the 90s while Russia was weak.
  • edited January 17

    what was the West's interest in doing that? (not arguing; just trying to understand)
    your lands seem to be way too off from any of their geopolitical interests
    my guess about Russia is based on its eternal desire to be the center of the Slavic world and to influence politics within the former Soviet Bloc and thereabouts

    while it's true that in the 90s Russia was weak, it nevertheless played a dramatic armed role in Moldova (1992), in Chechnya (1994 and 1999), in Georgia (1992–1994) and probably in some other countries (these are just the ones I remember, and I wasn’t much interested in history or politics before the Maidan in Ukraine)
    as a result of those conflicts there are now ‘grey zones’ with limited or no recognition from other countries near Moldova (Transnistria) and near Georgia (Abkhazia), and I’m not even going to begin describing what’s going on in Chechnya; Donbas and Crimea look like part of that pattern

    the loss of the Soviet Bloc countries after the USSR fell apart was very painful for the country’s imperial ambitions, and it’s been wanting to regain influence all along
    I’m not saying it’s good or bad; these are facts. whether someone is pro-Russian and believes Russia is this kind peacekeeper and fighter against the evil West, or if you're anti-Russian, or ambivalent, or neutral, it would be naive to deny that the country has always wanted major influence and is known to use unpopular methods to gain it, so that's where my logic is coming from

    not saying Russia is involved in killing Ivanovic though
    just thought it might've been somehow involved in the Kosovo conflict
    I hope the murder won't have any bad consequences for your country
  • @saltycola Divide et Impera. They are controlling our resources and our economy now, nothing is independent about our countries. Foreign corporations bought everything that remained functional to any degree for a bucket of fish (next to nothing) after the sanctions were lifted. Far from geopolitical interests? Look at NATO expansion map, not so far. Look up which is the biggest US military base in Europe. Also you might want to check natural resources of Kosovo.

    Russia is lagging behind USA in this game, they're taking the same path now, but Russia is just a beginner. In your example those are all former Soviet republics. That doesn't make it much better, but makes them really different from western interventions.

    Most people here are Russophiles and many see Putin as powerful good guy the world needs, a savior. I'm not one of those. When it comes to Russian culture and people I have interest and sympathies for them as for any Slavic people. Politics wise, not so much. They're becoming more and more like US, only more autocratic. That kind of imperialism won't bring any good to the world no matter where it comes from.
  • @saltycola Balkans is actually resource abundant. Communistic/socialistic leaders didn't want to sell the mines to foreigners, and we have some rare, exotic materials around here. Kosovo Albanians gave them free of charge.
  • The Balkans have always been relatively important mostly because of their strategic location, connecting the West with the East and South. Of course, now that we have global air travel, that significance isn't quite as great as before, but it's still there. Besides, the two superpowers were waging conflicts all over the place during the Cold War, including in seemingly less important areas.
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