just wondering, how much do you guys lift?
I don't bench press at all. Here is my slant on physical training. This maybe a little long so bear with me First my training reflects my life philosophy, I like simplicity and practicality. To give you an example I believe a man should own only three kinds of things: guns and blades, tools, and exercise equipment everything else is fluff I like very little stuff and a lot of space. As to training I am into strength endurance training ( capacity to work hard for extended periods of time ), lean and mean body type, maximum strength with as small body mass as possible. My idol is Arthur Saxon http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Saxon/saxon.htm ( you can download a lot of strength training books of old masters there ). I like Russian approach, going for what matters and leaving all else behind. As to exercises I do compounds: dead lift, snatch, cleans, overhead press, squats, pull-ups, dips, etc. Isolation movements don't develop stabilizers and that's a no no if your goal is strength endurance. I also train grip and forearms: crushing, pinch, extensors, supporting. Tendon and ligaments training are a must as well. Also I pay attention to staying flexible, not crazy yoga stretching because that goes beyond joints full ROM ( range of motion ) and actually stretches ligaments which makes joints weak, unstable and prone to injury, just regular western style stretching. I also use Russian kattlebells, great training tool, probably best. Man I almost wrote a book I don't use any supplements or protein, just food. I'm done for now.