What the ancient sources say when they mention them is Macedonians and Dorians and when they mention Greeks they refer to Achaeans

It is self evident that Macedonians were not Dorians therefore Macedonians were not Greeks.

"The Achaeans (Ancient Greek: Ἀχαιοί, Akhaioí) constitute one of the collective names for the Greeks in Homer's Iliad (used 598 times) and Odyssey."


i think you are very confused.It is by far not "self evident that they are not Greeks".I can not understand what lead you to that conclusion, however it seems that doesn't lead scientists too.

there is not even one non poilitical related ancient source to refer them as non Greeks.Anyway, i will ask once again, as long as you are not related to macedonians or any other Greek population, what lead you to waste 8 pages about this issue in a thread which is completely unrelated?