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A normal human immediatelly understands that albanian cannot descend from Illyria just from 2 reasons:

1) Illyrian preserved the cluster *sk before voiced stops (b,d,g), resonants (m,n,l,r), semivowels (j,w) and if no consonants at all followed.

Proto-albanian, on the other hand in all those positions has made the transition *sk>ks>h and there are 2 examples of the Dacian substratum of Romanian showing the same process.

So Illyrian has for instance the toponyms Scardona (modern Skradin),Skodra, Skardus, the personal names Skerdilaidas, Skerviaedus and the tribal name Skirtari.

In all this positions the ancestor of Albanian would have made the transition *sk>ks>h:

examples:

*sko:la > hell

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hell#Albanian

*skr.d- "garlic" > *skurda > hudhër:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hudh%C3%ABr

*skuna and *skunya > hu,hundë

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hu#Albanian
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hund%C3%AB

*skenHis > hi

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hi#Albanian

*en-gre:ska > ngroh

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ngroh

All therse changes had occured before the adoption of latin loanwords,because in the latin loanwords sk>shk:

piscis > peshk:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/peshk

scamnum > shkëmb:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shk%C3%ABmb

scalae > shkallë

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shkall%C3%AB

Now the albanian verb to eat ha comes from earlier eska < *h1ed-ska:

albanian and romanian share the same word for "gluttonous" from that root and EVEN romanian shows initial h:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/h%C4%83mesi

To albanian hudhër "garlic" mentioned above corresponds romanian leurda "wild garlic" which contains the albanian term, although the /h/ was lost:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/leurd%C4%83

when the Albanians actually came in Albania, they have treated the Illyrian toponyms as loanwords and just like they have done with the latin ones, they have turned sk>shk:

Skodra > Shkodër (the proto-albanian evolution should have been Hodër)

Scampinus > Shkumbin

2) Illyrian had preserved initial *s: for example the toponym Salonae (modern Solin in Croatia) and the following toponyms, anthroponyms and tribal names:

Selepitani, Salona, Sextus/Sestus, Sestenius, Sausa, Sassaius, Surco, Suttis

Albanian has turned it's genuine inherited initial *s> j > gj:

Root *sal "salt" > *en-salm- > ngjelme (cf. Greek halmyros = salty):

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ngjelm%C3%AB

Root *serp- "serpent" (latin serpens, greek herpeton) > albanian gjarper:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gjarp%C3%ABr

Root *s(w)ek's- "six" > albanian gjashte:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gjasht%C3%AB

This evolution had occured before the entrance of the latin loanwords in albanian, because the initial s of the latter is rendered as sh-

saeculum > shekull

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shekull

socius > shok:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shok

Now, in one particular root, both romanian and albanian show #s>j>gj

IE root *suHsos: albanian gjysh and romanian ghiuj:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ghiuj
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gjysh

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