I remember talking to a Turk from Constantinople (he called it Konstantinijje for some reason), and I asked if he like Putin or Erdogan. He say, “I love them both”. I ask why (most people here in US, and I think on this forum, know I am a big Putin-lover, but I was shocked that this homo Turk like either due to their alleged positions on homosexuals), he responded (in paraphrase): “They may not be saints, but they stand up to the West and pursue the interests of not extra-national interests, but of Russian and Turkish interests, as well as the interests of their people”. I realised Turkey was in the right, and from that day on, I am now on the side which focuses on the affairs of the interior, not the exterior. The US has become a joke.