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    Over 89 percent of residents in Italy's Veneto region have voted in an unofficial referendum in favor of independence from the rest of the country as Venetians seek to restore the glory of the old days by creating a state of their own.

    Over two million residents of Veneto – the region of Italy surrounding Venice – took part in the so-called 'Veneto independence referendum' that lasted from Sunday to Friday. The survey, conducted online and backed by the region’s independence parties, has no legal power but aims to gather support for a bill calling for a referendum.

    The poll also asked residents if they want the region to keep the euro and remain part of the European Union and NATO if it declares its independence. More than 55 percent of voters said they would prefer an independent Veneto to remain part of the EU, and over 51 percent said they want to remain in the eurozone. Over 64.5 percent said they want Veneto to be part of NATO.

    The results of the vote were announced Friday in the city of Treviso, where hundreds of pro-independence activists gathered for a demonstration, waving the flags of the old Venetian Republic.

    Earlier, the "yes" campaign – organized by pro-independence activists – said that if the majority voted for separation of the region, Veneto would issue a 'Declaration of Veneto Sovereignty' and stop all tax transfers to the central government in Rome.

    Though opponents described the poll on Twitter as "total madness," supporters believe in a new, independent Republic of Veneto. They say the region would be inspired by the ancient Republic of Venice – a rich economic, cultural, and trading state known as “La Serenissima,” or “The Most Serene Republic of Venice.” The republic lost its independence when Napoleon conquered Venice in 1797.

    Earlier in March, leaders of the independence movement said they were not going to wait for Rome’s approval, adding that they would begin the separation process if the population voted in favor of the move.

    Veneto's President Luca Zaia – who supports the independence movement – said the region is tired of the lack of respect from Rome.

    Members of the movement for Veneto independence say they were inspired by Scotland and Catalonia, both of which have also planned referendums for 2014. Scotland will vote on its independence in September, while Catalonia’s residents will take part in a similar vote in November. According to a Thursday online poll taken among Catalonia residents, nearly 59.6 percent of its population desires independence from the rest of Spain.

    Independence supporters say Italy's economy is the key reason behind the bid, as Veneto is one of the wealthiest and most industrialized regions of the country.

    “Veneto is the region that has been supporting financially Italy and the main reason [for separation from Italy] is economics,” Lodovico Pizzati, spokesman for the Veneto independence movement, told RT.

    “We pay 70 billion euros in taxes to the Italian state and only a fraction comes back, so we’re looking at a gap of 20 billion euros."

    Professor of history Paolo Bernardini explained that Veneto, as well as Milan and Lombardy, are stranded by the fiscal pressure coming from Rome.

    “Venice pretty much as Milan and Lombardy are strangled by the Italian fiscal pressure, which is well above 60 percent, occasionally 70 percent. So it’s one of the strongest fiscal pressures in the world,” he told RT.

    “By creating a new little and efficient state, we would reduce the fiscal pressure on the citizens and at the same time we would regain the independence of the city of Venice which was a beacon of European civilization until 1797, when it was closed by Napoleon.”

    http://rt.com/news/venice-votes-independence-italy-585/

    #430514

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    That's really sad. Despite all Italians share the same language and culture, they seem to have never shared the same national identity.

    I personaly think that no Italian province will ever become independent.

    #430515

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    That's really sad. Despite all Italians share the same language and culture, they seem to have never shared the same national identity.

    I personaly think that no Italian province will ever become independent.

    I think they never really shared the same culture, and not only because Italy was a couple of various states since medieval times. There are big differences between Northern and Southern Italians.

    #430516

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    I think they never really shared the same culture, and not only because Italy was a couple of various states since medieval times. There are big differences between Northern and Southern Italians.

    have you ever been in Italy? From my personal experience there very few differences between South and North, and even from this aspect Veneto is closer to South than to many northern provinces.

    #430517

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    have you ever been in Italy? From my personal experience there very few differences between South and North, and even from this aspect Veneto is closer to South than to many northern provinces.

    Yes I have. For me, it was still not surprising if Milan or Turin wouldn't really want to belong to the same country as Naples.

    #430518

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    That's really sad. Despite all Italians share the same language and culture, they seem to have never shared the same national identity.

    I personaly think that no Italian province will ever become independent.

    There has always been a large division between North and South Italy both in mentality, economy and politics.

    Also if we examine them as a country, one'll find that north is a mixture of Latins, Germanics and Slavs while south is a mixture of Latins and Saracens.

    #430519

    Anonymous

    There are opinions that people from Puglia and Calabria are really of Albanian origin. Sicilians, on the other hand, have clear part of north a-f-r ancestry (also historical). Of course, it doesn't mean Italy would break apart. Don't know and frankly I don't care.

    #430520

    Anonymous

    Northern Italy in the middle ages consisted of city-states, competing with each other. History repeats itself.

    So is an interesting topic – Scottish independence referendum which will be held in september.

    #430521

    Anonymous

    I bet the Venetians will shortly get an offer from Rome… one they can't refuse.  :D 

    I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse

    #430522

    Anonymous

    Northern Italians are basically Italo-Latin speaking Germanics related to the same peoples that inhabit Germany and France. Southern Italians are a group of people more closely related to Greeks and Albanians.  There is a serious resentment of southerners by northerners. Economically they are better off up north and do not like to give welfare to the south. I know Italian people both north and south and this is the impression I get.

    #430523

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    have you ever been in Italy? From my personal experience there very few differences between South and North, and even from this aspect Veneto is closer to South than to many northern provinces.

    You are right. From what I have seen in Italy, I've been to Venice, and Toskana,and Rome and everything is different. The architecture especially.
    But Rome is never going to allow them independence. And i don't think they should. We can't all go in middle ages and become city states.

    #430524

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    Northern Italians are basically Italo-Latin speaking Germanics related to the same peoples that inhabit Germany and France. Southern Italians are a group of people more closely related to Greeks and Albanians.  There is a serious resentment of southerners by northerners. Economically they are better off up north and do not like to give welfare to the south. I know Italian people both north and south and this is the impression I get.

    In that case they are a very small (height) Germanic people. :P

    #430525

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    … From my personal experience there very few differences between South and North …

    Indeed, both produce bad soldiers. ;D

    I don't really care what Lahi do as long as they don't harm our minority. Not really a big fan of Lahi anyway … It'd probably be good for the North to be independent but very bad for the South.

    #430526

    Anonymous

    Some ppl in Veneto like Cimbrians are Germanic stock no doubt but imo the region and N Italy in general aren't terrbly German influenced minus Trentino. Italians are big regionalists especially northerners no doubt. Lega Nord comes to my mind here. But i doubt anything serious will happen. Thow who knows the last few decades Europe just happpens to produce lots of small nations. ;D Which isnt a bad thing by itself. What this would cause is probably some chain reaction throught Italy. For sure its interesting Scotland will have referendum this year (or did it already had?). Imo probably Scots will vote to stay in UK. My feeling anyways.

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    I don't really care what Lahi do as long as they don't harm our minority. Not really a big fan of Lahi anyway … It'd probably be good for the North to be independent but very bad for the South.

    Yet you still drink Laško (Italian) beer? ;D Anyways most ITA's are quite alright thow some are fascist but there's not so many.

    #430527

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    You are right. From what I have seen in Italy, I've been to Venice, and Toskana,and Rome and everything is different. The architecture especially.
    But Rome is never going to allow them independence. And i don't think they should. We can't all go in middle ages and become city states.

    Why not? For small countries, like your native Macedonia, much easier to maintain political and economic talks with equal force small states. If you negotiate with such a monster, such as Italy, they always insist on favorable terms.

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