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    Anonymous

    What do you think, explecially slovenes, about the venetic theory?
    Here something:

    http://www.angelfire.com/country/veneti/ToulaevAncestors.html

    http://www.korenine.si/zborniki/zbornik01/htm/pantelic.htm

    http://www.theslovenian.com/articles/roots.htm

    A schematization of a conversation with a Venetian hystorical group of research.

    The italian academic knowledges for  a long time have privileged the
    classical sources ( of course, very important sources) but using only
    this sources the only source was in primis Tito Livio, who made the Veneti
    the descendant of the Henetoi, mentioned by Omero, allied of the troyans.
    The archeology research started in the 800', have documented the presence
    of the ancient veneti ( in a first time called ''Illiri'', but they was in the southern balkans)
    in a large area in central europe, from the baltic to the danube, between the Alps
    and north adriatic with a lot of other minor factions.
    The 400 inscription founded, shows an incomprensible lenguages for people who
    speak a neo-latin idiom.
    That's because it was near to the common indo-european.
    It was the base of the slavic ( the ''proto slavic'' is only an accademic construction)
    It was the venetic, preserved  in the group of the western slavic lenguages.
    In the west zone, the venetic lenguages died, replaced by germanic lenguages.
    In the Venetia (modern Veneto) was replaced by the latin during the cristianization.
    Anyway, the population can preserve his identity even modify his lenguage.

    1- The Veneti: ancient population. During the Paleolitic ( 10.000-6.000 b.c.)
    a lot of similar cultures developed in a great territory.
    Nomads comunity in movement. After the 4.500 b.c., the linguistic unity
    started to broken. Here start the stabile settlement in Europe.
    4.200 bc. appear the first agricultural civilization, the bankeramik
    culture for second.The primary sources founded in central europe in the high
    part of the Danube. Those sedentary groups lived near the rivers.
    The family structure was matriarcal, the greath Mother was the highest god
    near the god of sky.
    The pre-indoeuropean culture started the decline in the 2.100 circa , when people from the east
    penetrated the central europe.These people form the steppes sovrasted the original
    population and the various tradition assumes different shades.
    The very rilevant thing was discovered by Jožko Šavli in the new patriarcal
    organization.
    The father-god symbolized , with his new order, the new order.
    the indoeruopean culture didn't overlay the agrary culture of the
    central europe . In this period, the schnurkeramik culture spread across
    europe. (j. Pokorny 1954).
    In the 1800 b.c. circa near Boemia , born the Aunjetitz culture, caraterized
    by tombs and mounds. And after that started the Lusazia Culture (1.500-1100 b.c.)
    In the 1200 circa, the powerful Lusatian culture determined a powerful cultural and social
    evolution that a lot of migration started across europe.
    They was the harbringer of the Urnfield Culture.
    They was identificated as Veneti thanks to the crematory-rite .

    2. Geographic expansion.
    We have a lot of classic sources.
    Veneti is an ethnic name founded in the greek culture too, οι Ενετοιla, in the Iliade
    they was mentioned as ally of the Troyans in the Paflagonia regions.
    This mention told about 1.200 years circa before christ, and his memory is tramanded with lyrics of epic
    composition.
    A lot of testimonials talk about other population ethnically ''Veneti''.
    The archeology remains shows that the Veneti expanded theyr territory from the
    heart of the old continent moved by faith. The Veneti settled in the area from the
    Baltic to the Adriatic starting a lot of civilizations with unique organization.
    From Este and the whole veneto to the Valle del Gail, friuli ,Slovenia and istria.
    At the top of the 800' b.c. ,started the Hallstat culture.
    The influece of the latin lenguages started during the imperial era, but the venetic resist in various
    zones. Anyway the cultural and historycal identity resist in the venetic population.
    It was called ''Venetia et Istria'' by the emperor Diocleziano.

    The etnic name ''Veneti'' is found in a lot of forms related to a lot of population.
    The first diffusion show an area including the baltic to the danubian valley to north
    eastern italy.

    3. Religions and Folklore
    We saw how the Venetic culture spread in central Europe in the 1.300. circa with the
    Urnenfelder, the harbinger of the Urnfield culture.
    A new vision of the world was born.
    The entomb rites will be left for a new ritual costume: the cremation, with the idea
    of an immortal soul.
    The cremation for the ancient Veneti,was a complex ritual to make a way for the dead to the
    ''Van'', the afterlife.
    The body was prepared with ornaments and good clothes, after that, was put on a pyre made of sacred wood.
    The urnes with the ashes was preserved in various mounds.
    The original religions of the Veneti was very close to the oriental religions (duality ecc.)
    The ancient Veneti worship Reitia and other gods.
    A statue with three head was found in Este (padova)

    4- Social Structure.

    The Venetic social structure was based on the settlement comunity.The role of the woman
    was high (equal to the man) , not as the roman standard.
    Thanks to the Slovenian comunity and the Friuli Comunity, today we know well the
    rites and the religious forms who guided the Venetic culture.
    The Popular assemblies were under a sacred Lime (like the slavs).
    Even in veneto we have a lot of toponomastic founds.
    – In the Cadore ( belluno) the lime is the araldic symbol of the city.
    -Vazzola (treviso) sometimes is called ''Piazza dei tigli'' (square of Limes)
    – in Cavalese , still exist a stone altar in the park of Pieve, here you can finde
    5 secular limes. Was the center of the city.
    – in the Natiosne area, the toponym is preserved as ''Tiglio/lipa''.

    #426166

    Anonymous

    I don't support this theory. Of course they were Veneti on our territory but Old Slavs assimilated them when they come on today's Slovenian territory. I don't support also this kind of theory about barbaric Slavs who were yalling in at the moon as wolfs and so on.
    As I said when Slavs came here they assimilated them and they also accept some of cultural influences (for exmplae viticulture, alpine dairy farming etc.)

    Venetic theory sounds temptingly but there is no stronge evidence. But certainly not as some self-proclaimed historians like Jožko Šavli, Matej Bor etc. have interpreted them.

    #426167

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    I don't support this theory. Of course they were Veneti on our territory but Old Slavs assimilated them when they come on today's Slovenian territory. I don't support also this kind of theory about barbaric Slavs who were yalling in at the moon as wolfs and so on.
    As I said when Slavs came here they assimilated them and they also accept some of cultural influences (for exmplae viticulture, alpine dairy farming etc.)

    Venetic theory sounds temptingly but there is no stronge evidence. But certainly not as some self-proclaimed historians like Jožko Šavli, Matej Bor etc. have interpreted them.

    Thanks for your opinion. I don't support this theory too, anyway, the thing that make my angry is that the italian accademic researcher are close minded when in Poland the research is getting his ground

    #426168

    Anonymous

    Zulian , I recommend fixing up the poor English used in the information you posted.

    #426169

    Anonymous

    Its false. Sometimes it anoys me. The fact is most of old texts where all our knowledge about past comes from are haywire and problematic (often old chroniclers came to wierd conclusions aswell) so naturally ppl can evolve such theories but still this theory is amateurish enough to be quikly dismanteled. So historiography is quite complex discipline. :D

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