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    Anonymous

    Though many of you who read this will laugh but Slovenes were known for their "love" for fights and it really became a tradition which is dieing out last years…  :-

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    Even in J. V. Valvasor's book "Slava vojvodine Kranjske" (The Gloray of The Duchy of Carniola) he reffers to the peasants as violence-loving and shortly describes the fights that happen on almost every dance party and where many also die. As the book was published in 1689, we can asume this "tradition" is at least 400 years old.  ;D

    Usually the fights break out on village parties where people dance and drink. Since the whole village and sometimes even strangers, causes for starting a fight are numerous. The main motive is the good old Slovene wine though. It gives courage even to the biggest coward. But the reason to start a fight could simly be a wrong word someone said to you, or someone stole your girl, somebody insulted a friend or the fact that you simply don't like someone's face. Often the villagers picked on strangers who came to their party. Especially in Styria peole liked to beat Carniolans as they talk funny to what we're used too…  ;D

    Everyone who fought a fight knows that it kind of goes as long as only hands are used. But on these fights always something came in the hands of the fighters. Men often wore knifes but also bottles and chairs were used. Benches were popular to hit someone's head or back. So there's no wonder people got really hurt and some even died in those fights.

    Most of the fights happen/ed during the sommer and on Carnival (Pust), like this one:
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    As mentioned in the title, it's mostly a rural tradition as there were many Germans in the towns and allinall town people had a different lifestyle.

    A special form of such fights is the so called "Aufbiks". It's typical for Slovene Styria and some parts of Carniola. The word probably comes from the German "auf" and "wichsen", which would translate into Slovene as najeb*ti" (to get f*cked). The main difference between a regular fight and an aufbiks is that you announce it. This can be done by simply screaming "aufbiks", though in Styria it was common to scream out the whole slogan: "Augbiks, kri v luft, čreva na plot!" – meaning "aufbiks, blood in the air, guts on the fence". An aufbiks often resulted death as Styrians are known as especially crazy people with no mercy. And Styrians drink "Grabenvaler" or Šmarnica, a sort of wine that has metanol in it – that's the explanation of their crazynes.

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    "Red Bull gives you wings, Šmarnica gets you powered on all 4"

    And the more east you go in Styria, the more crazy the people get. In the time of Carnical on Dravsko polje you could witness a real massacre in the old times. Kurenti or Koranti by the locals, used to dress up and fight Kurenti from other villages. As I showed before, they were (and still are) armed with sticks called ježovke, which are sticks with hedgehog pricles. They used to smach each other with them and many died while doing. : Nowadays Kurenti don't harm anyone but if you're a woman you better give them your handkerchief when they want it (trust me  ). As it was a shame if someone took of the Kurent's mask or stole his bells, they wore handguns to protect themself – thoug I'd be more scared of the ježevka than a gun…

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    That was something short about our fighting traditons. I'll be glad if someone would come up with any further informations as they're hard to find. And due to it, I will hopefully continue with more myself. Any questions perhaps?

    #412823

    Anonymous

    Yep our rural fights. Pride of Slovenia. I am proud to contribute to this ancient art. Well at least once i did. ;D

    #412824

    Anonymous
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    Yep our rural fights. Pride of Slovenia. I am proud to contribute to this ancient art. Well at least once i did. ;D

    I hope I'll never experience a proper aufbiks. Or at least on the wining side (that would be the living side if you ask me  ;D ).

    #412825

    Anonymous
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    I hope I'll never experience a proper aufbiks. Or at least on the wining side (that would be the living side if you ask me  ;D ).

    Well in that praticular moment i suprised myself very much. Altho i felt fear i was so high on adrenaline i didnt give a hell. :D The thing is i got lots of fear after fight which was still present next day but after that i felt very strong and proud. LOL I know its funny sh*it but i view it as very positive experience. Now i know i wouldn't chicken out in dire need. ;D

    #412826

    Anonymous
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    Well in that praticular moment i suprised myself very much. Altho i felt fear i was so high on adrenaline i didnt give a hell. :D The thing is i got lots of fear after fight which was still present next day but after that i felt very strong and proud. LOL I know its funny sh*it but i view it as very positive experience. Now i know i wouldn't chicken out in dire need. ;D

    That's good. Luckily, I haven't been in such a position yet. I don't know what I'd do if I'd be alone but I'd smack them if I had at least 1 for backup (unless they'd outnumber us high).  ;D

    #412827

    Anonymous
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    That's good. Luckily, I haven't been in such a position yet. I don't know what I'd do if I'd be alone but I'd smack them if I had at least 1 for backup (unless they'd outnumber us high).  ;D

    I don't wanna brag but in my case it was me vs three. Trust me a single man can get more balls vs others than you think. ;) :D

    [size=5pt]PS; I was the one who started it. Ho ho ho![/size]

    #412828

    Anonymous
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    I don't wanna brag but in my case it was me vs three. Trust me a single man can get more balls vs others than you think. ;) :D

    [size=5pt]PS; I was the one who started it. Ho ho ho![/size]

    Hohoho! I feel the dark side strong in you!  ;D I'm not that kind of personality to start aufbiks – though if I'd had the reason (tujci ziher)… I could surprie myself. The worst is when they aim for the cheam seats or smack you in the eye. That hurts awful. I like to hit the nose as they tart crying (natural reaction). Če b jih blo več pa da bi mel boksrja, bi prvega na arkado, da se kri vlije – se drugi vsirjejo ko vidjo kri – al pa obratno, pa jih podžgeš  ;D

    #412829

    Anonymous
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    Hohoho! I feel the dark side strong in you!  ;D I'm not that kind of personality to start aufbiks – though if I'd had the reason (tujci ziher)… I could surprie myself.

    Trust me you would if there was a good reason for it. I had my reasons and i started it with nice approach but if that dosent work sometimes you need to use the force. ;D

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    The worst is when they aim for the cheam seats or smack you in the eye. That hurts awful. I like to hit the nose as they tart crying (natural reaction). Če b jih blo več pa da bi mel boksrja, bi prvega na arkado, da se kri vlije – se drugi vsirjejo ko vidjo kri – al pa obratno, pa jih podžgeš  ;D

    Hahahahha your imagination is bloody indeed. ;D

    #412830

    Anonymous
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    Hahahahha your imagination is bloody indeed. ;D

    Heh, te smo pa toti Štajerci, ne?

    Anyhow, another tradition I heard about has also disapeared. It refers to the days when all boys and men were still wearing hats. In alpine regions it was common to wear feathers on hats. As they could be from various birds they had no special names (except rogatci – ruševec tail feathers). They were simply called "kuražfedre", meaning courage feathers. In Gorenjska it was also tradition that a girl gave a red carnation flower to her boyfrend so they often wore them intstead or in addition to kuražfedre. And as other boys liked to push and to make competitions, kuražfedre were a trophy that was taken away from the looser. In a fight they turned their hats with the feathers to the front and fought (this represented the fight of roosters). The winner took the loosers feathers or carnation flower, which was a sign of humiliation. The more fights a man won, the reputation he had. And those who had lost had worse chanses to get a girl afterwards.

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    #412831

    Anonymous

    well we too have rural party fights. but nothing special about them. people just beat each other. when police comes, they beat policemen.

    The main motive is the good old Slovene wine though. It gives courage even to the biggest coward.

    so this is the secret of slovenian army!

    And the more east you go in Styria, the more crazy the people get.

    i think this can be applied as a general rule anywhere in europe  ;D

    #412832

    Anonymous
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    well we too have rural party fights. but nothing special about them. people just beat each other. when police comes, they beat policemen.

    so this is the secret of slovenian army!

    i think this can be applied as a general rule anywhere in europe  ;D

    On the demonstrations skinns used to throw granite cubes into policemen. Yes, that's our secret to win a war! ;D You're brobably right about going east …

    #412833

    Anonymous

    I heard some stories of boys dieing in fights regulary when my grandma was young. Where I live there is one fara with very distinctive villages around, boys and young men were very territorial and the traditional fight nights were:
    Pust – already mentionet, the alternative use of ježovka or a plain stick at other times: help grabing a guy, step behind his back, put the stick behind his back and twist until he gives up (dies).
    Cvetna nedelja – the guys with the bigger butara win, if  they could get it into the church it's way too small. There's also a no rope, no nails rule.
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    Kresovanje in postavljanje mlajov. Again bigger is better!
    Martinovo – self explanatory
    Miklavž – territorial fight between Miklavžes' escorts. (Throwing people into the freezing river was a popular tactic.)
    There are death on these day people actually remeber.

    #412834

    Anonymous

    Yes, those fights often, well, almost always resulted death. My grandma also told me that on village's veselice men used to fight with chairs or benches, which they would smack on the opponent's head. Although, knives were the most popular.

    #412835

    Anonymous

    Damn, looks like eastern Slovenia is no man's land

    #412836

    Anonymous
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    Damn, looks like eastern Slovenia is no man's land

    Eye, total anarchy indeed. No place for old men … ;)

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