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  • #346560

    Anonymous

    Baba" or "Kumir" is a type of stone statue, an idol, which first appeared in Ukraine between the 7th and the 4th century BC. They were built by Scythian and Sarmatian tribes and their meaning and purpose is still debated. It is presumed that they are associated with the cult of the ancestors.
    We find thousands of these anthropomorphic crosses and Baba statues in the Slavic lands of Central Europe and in old Scythian lands of Eurasia. It seems that the only other place where they are found is Ireland. If anyone hase any information about these types of stone idols from any other part of Western Europe, please let me know so that I can update the post.
    Who were the people who built Scythian Baba stones and anthropomorphic Cuman crosses in Ireland? How and when did they arrive there, and how come not a word can be read about them in any modern history of Ireland? The old histories of Ireland are not so silent. The old histories talk about Scythians who came to Ireland from the Caspian sea, but these old histories are ignored by modern historians as "fanciful" and "ridiculous". Maybe it is time to look at the old Irish histories again. You can read more here.

    Old European culture: Baba

    #431951

    Anonymous

    There are stone idols with crosses and there are cult stones with crosses on them in Belarus.
    Pictures of stone idols from Belarus : http://paranormal-news.ru/news/kamennye_idoly_belarusi/2014-04-28-8940
    Stones with crosses from Belarus: http://www.perunica.ru/forum/topic_569

    Prussians lived in present day Kaliningrad region and the surrounding areas of Poland also had stone idols. Prussian babas:

    [img width=700 height=525]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Gdansk_Baby_Pruskie.jpg/1280px-Gdansk_Baby_Pruskie.jpg” />

    Lithuania and Latvia have cult stones. Latvia has crosses on cult stones , which Latvians call the cross of Mara. These two countries may have stone idols too.

    Neither Belarus, Prussia, Lithuania or Latvia were the settlements of Scythians or Sarmatians unless Scythians/Sarmatian changed their lifestyles moving from the steppes of Ukraine to forests and swamps further north.

    #431952

    Anonymous

    I don't think that's a link between them… Africans also have their totems etc.

    #431960

    Anonymous

    sviatogor, thanks very much for the information about Prussian babas. Very important. There is a shared culture represented by celtic crosses and baba stones from baltic to balkans. Of Baltic nations, Lithuania is particularly linked with Irish and Slavs culturally. I suspected that i would find links to Prussians too, as there are indications of continuous links between South Baltic and Ireland going back to 4000 bc.

    you say: Neither Belarus, Prussia, Lithuania or Latvia were the settlements of Scythians or Sarmatians unless Scythians/Sarmatian changed their lifestyles moving from the steppes of Ukraine to forests and swamps further north.

    There are no steppe in Serbia and Ireland, or Carpathian mountains, but we still find baba stones. So someone did build them and they are attributed to Scythians. Sarmatians even ended up in England as part of roman army, so there is not reason why they couldn't have integrated into Slavic people as well, or maybe they were the Slavic people???

    Pentas, there are anthropomorphic idols all over the world, but these are specific types of idols which are connected with similar genetic populations, traditions, language…

    #431961

    Anonymous

    sviatogor what is Валун? This is extremely important question. I found that it means boulder. Is it any boulder, kamen, stena, or particular type, like this one:

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    Is this valun as well:

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    Are these small stones found in depressions carved in the stone slab?

    #431962

    Anonymous

    Tacticus was sent to gather intelligence information in Germanic settlements; he wrote a book in 98 AD. This is what he wrote about Sarmatians:

    "I hesitate to classify Peucini peoples, Veneti and Fenni [people of Fennia] to the Germans or Sarmatians. However , the Peucini, whom some call the Bastarnians, behave as Germans in regards to speech, lifestyle , habitat and housing. They all live in mud, while their nobility is in a state of idle. They [Peucini] uglify themselves through intermarriages as Sarmatians. Veneti learned a lot from the morals [unclear from the moral of which peoples Shukin says] , as they walk around forests in robber gangs between Peucini [Bastranians] and Fenni. However, they [Veneti] should rather be referred to the Germans, because they build houses, wear shields, and they have an advantage in fitness and speedy infantry. All this distinguishes them [Veneti] from the Sarmatians who are living in the wagon or on horseback. "(Tac. Germ.)

    Forest and swamp terrain didn't suit nomads living in wagons or on horseback.  Sarmatians formed unions with Slavs on territories of Ukraine. A confederation of Antes could be a good candidate for union between Sarmatians and Slavs. Slavs mixed with Sarmatians in Ukraine. Then these people migrated in different parts of eastern Europe.

    #431964

    Anonymous

    That might be the clue behind Haplogroup I2a2 which can be found a lot in Croatia and Slavic Balkans in general and Ukraine also. Knowing that Croats and Serbs also have Sarmatian origin besides Slavic, and knowing the history of Ukraine as also Slavic-Sarmatian there might be correlation between these haplogroups and history…however such theory opposes the "Balkan I2a2 origin" theory. It's interesting thought.

    #431967

    Anonymous
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    sviatogor what is Валун? This is extremely important?

    Valun is just a common name for a large stone. These stones were brought to north-eastern Europe by ice during the Ice Age.

    In the past many cult stones were used by pagans for spiritual gatherings. In the last 100 years commies were exploding valuns in Belarus. Now, there's a museum of valuns near Minsk.

    #431968

    Anonymous

    In eastern Slavia a lot of people believe I2a2-Din is Slavic. The Belarusian guy Vadim Verenich , who is maintainer of MDLP project, has written plenty on the subject suggesting I2a2-Din has origins in north-western Ukraine and surrounding regions.

    #431969

    Anonymous

    this is why i ask about valun stones. this is bullaun stone from ireland. in words common in slavic and irish slavic v often becomes b. so valun can become bullaun and the other way round. Maybe this is just a coincidence, but it is worth exploring.

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    these stones are also found in pomerania. do you know of stones like this in other slavic countries?

    have a look at this stone from scotland.

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    look at the crosses from belorussian stones from the page you sent me.

    http://goddesschess.blogspot.ie/2012/05/scottish-cursing-stome-discovered.html

    pentaz people come an go…

    dubeninių akmenų, latvia

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    gotland, snake godess (scythian great mother) with two phallic male stones from gotland. no interpretation for it.
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    http://ferrebeekeeper.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-snake-witch-stone/

    Lithuania and Latvia have cult stones. Latvia has crosses on cult stones , which Latvians call the cross of Mara

    Baba stones in Makedonia are called baba mara stones. Baba mara is the old baba marta, the wicked witch of the winter, Mora Morana, goddess of cold, winter, death, dissipation. Lover of dabog, mother of Van, the ancestor of Serbs…

    Mara's cave (latvia), baba's cave, babina pichka, baba's vagina…

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    http://www.talsitourism.lv/index.php/page,Content/id,158

    Do you know of anything else like this in slavic countries.

    Thracian womb cave, called Marina cave now

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    http://trakia-tours.com/the-cave-womb-route-28.html

    http://traveltervel.com/2013/04/08/into-the-womb/

    Sveta petka, st petka, serbian female patron saint, the patron of wells, and pregnant women, is probably old sveta pička, holly womb, holly mother, mother goddess, baba….

    Do you see where all this is going?

    #431970

    Anonymous

    what is interesting is that this stone from belorusia is called Dabog's stone.

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    Dabog, Hromi Daba is the equivalent of Irish Crom Dubh, who was brought to ireland by Fomori, Pomori, people from the sea. Dabog was represented by a standing stone, the central standing stone. He was also the god of tumulus, probably the central baba idol who stood on top of tumulus.

    Here is Scythian 5th to 4th century BC. Salbyk kurgan surrounded by balbals with kurgan obelisk on the top. Photographed before excavation, early 20th-century, Minusinsk territory, Siberia

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    I wrote about Crom Dubh here:

    http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.ie/2014/04/cromlech-dolmen.html

    But there is a lot more that i am yet to write.

    #431971

    Anonymous

    The name ‘Kipchak’/’Qipcak’ was not in use amongst the Cumans; ‘Qun’, Quman' was used. The Cumans' name in German was Falones, Phalagi, Valvi, Valewen, Valani. In Polish it was Połowcy, Plauci (Kumanowie), in Russian it was Половцы, Polovtsy, in Ukrainian it was Половці, Polovtsi, in Czech it was Plavci. German name mean "yellow", in reference to the color of the Cumans' hair. The Slavic word Polov, Plau, Plav means Blue but also Blond. Kuman means "pale yellow" in Turkic. So all the people who came in contact with Cumans named them "Golden", "Blond", because they must have been unusually blond compared with all the people that they came in contact with.

    Were cumans one of the people who formed Scandinavians? A lot of Scandinavians are blond but have asiatic eyes. Was Cun the same as Hun?

    http://www.academia.edu/218426/The_archaeological_evidence_for_equestrianism_in_early_Anglo-Saxon_England_c.450-700

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbahumuth.chaosnet.org%2Ffantasy%2Fwritings%2FValhalla.doc&ei=NilyU-edK62M7AaYyYCADw&usg=AFQjCNHUFRPOuzD5ZZEfzb2KvSKNIS5-eQ&bvm=bv.66330100,d.ZGU

    Serbs also had horse burials.

    #431972

    Anonymous

    According to some archaeological evidence Uralic-Altaic people were the first -paleolithic- inhabitants of Scandinavia, followed by some caucasian non Indoeuropeans, with Germanic speakers being the last settlers in the region.

    #431977

    Anonymous

    There are many stones in Belarus; they are part of the Belarusian landscape with round 500 stones are recognised as cult stones. Some of the stones were used by people in Neolithic and Bronze ages, while other were used by people in modern era. Stones continue attracting people to this day in Belarus.

    Some pictures of cult stones from Belarus: http://www.kirjazh.spb.ru/history/foto_v.htm

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    People are cleaning up places around some stones placing fencing around them.

    Шчучынскі р-н

    Валун “Зарэчанскі” ля в. Зарэчча і в. Барташы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3178
    Валун “Старападдубенскі” ля в. Старыя Паддубы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3177
    Валун “Капцюганскі” побач з в. Ладыга і Васілішкі: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3176
    Валун “Васілішкаўскі” у в. Васілішкі: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3175
    Валун “Марцін камень” ля в. Кузьмы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3174
    Валун “Зенеўскі” ля в. Зенеўцы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3173
    Валун “Баліцкі” ля в. Балічы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3172
    Валун “Барташыцкі” ля в. Барташы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3170

    Смаргонскі р-н

    Валун "Камень-горка" ля в. Укропенка: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3169
    Валун "Асілак" ля в. Белая: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3156
    Валун “Кашачы камень” ля в. Кеўлы: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3158
    Валун “Грывень-камень” у ваколіцах в. Ваўкі: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3157
    Валун “Козі камень Ядвігаўскі” у ваколіцах в. Камяніца: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3154
    Валун “Камяніцкі” у в. Камяніца: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3153
    Валун "Вялікі камень" ля в. Палтараўшчына: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3245
    Валун "Вялікі камень" у м. Крэва: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3245

    Ашмянскі р-н

    Валун “Студзянецкі” ля в. Седлераўшчына: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3162

    Валожынскі р-н

    Валун “Вялікі камень” ля в. Шальціны: http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3164

    (гэты ліст камянёў ад zmicierbielapol – http://zmicierbielapol.livejournal.com/118194.html )


    Гл. таксама http://forum.globus.tut.by/viewtopic.php?t=3417

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    #431978

    Anonymous

    why are they called Valun? What is the root of this word?

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