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    Anonymous

    Do you consider Baltic people to be closests to Slavs ?

    #397366

    Anonymous

    I think they are very close in culture and mentality but it is only my opinion.

    #397367

    Anonymous

    I am not sure but folks say they are pretty close. I won't make conclusions myself yet. :D

    #397368

    Anonymous

    Languages are related. Lithuanians are culturaly conneected with Belorussians and Poles, and in lesser degree with Ukrainians and Russians.
    Edit, also there is lot of common in Genetics.
    To summ up answer, closset meta-ethnicity to Slavs are Balts (Lithuanians and Latvians).

    #397369

    Anonymous

    We have more in common than separate. We should take advantage of the common goals and stop arguing about unimportant things.

    #397370

    Anonymous

    They're not Slavs.

    I'd imagine they have just as much in common culturally to the Poles and Belarussians as Serbs and Bulgarians have with Greeks.

    #397371

    Anonymous

    I would be careful with such comparisons. The Baltic states are related in terms of cultural and historical with Poland.

    #397372

    Anonymous
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    I would be careful with such comparisons. The Baltic states are related in terms of cultural and historical with Poland.

    What specifically do they have in common with Poles? I know you were both a part of the same country during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but what modern customs?

    #397373

    Anonymous

    Artifical Construct,

    1. The Estonians are Finno-Ugric people (similiar to Finns and Russified Volga Finns)

    2. There's barely any difference in appearance between Latvians and Baltic Russians (I don't count the Russiyanes / Soviet Citizens who currently live in Riga)

    3. Lithuanians had close cultural contact with Beylorusians, Poles and Ukrainians for centuries.

    What an amazing seperate ethnicity which apparently only consists of 5 million people (since we can't Estonians into that equation).  ::)
    It's the same dribble with the Irish in the British Isles who deassociate themselves with Britain, but to non-Anglos Irish are effectively British in culture and history.  The Balts are in the Slav Sphere, whether they like it or not.

    #397374

    Anonymous
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    Artifical Construct

    Baltic states and Baltic people/Balts are two different terms. Yes, Baltic people is a new term because it aroused only with the dawn of comparative linguistics, but it does not mean that the specific connection of Lithuanians and Latvians was invented. It just shows that cultural connections of Lithuanians and Latvians were shaded by the fact that they lived in two/three different states.

    1. The Estonians are Finno-Ugric people (similiar to Finns and Russified Volga Finns)

    Baltic people/Balts means speakers of Baltic languages, therefore any other people are not included. Baltic states is a geo-political term, newer than the linguistic one.

    2. There's barely any difference in appearance between Latvians and Baltic Russians (I don't count the Russiyanes / Soviet Citizens who currently live in Riga)

    What are Baltic Russians? Yes, Russians have genetic input of Balts, but it varies depending on region. By individual, it can be hard to tell Lithuanians from Russians, but if you take a group, it's not mission impossible. Simply Russians have a large Slavic, Finno-Ugric, etc. input, so it shouldn't be surprising.

    3. Lithuanians had close cultural contact with Beylorusians, Poles and Ukrainians for centuries.

    Well, I believe, certain cultural similarities with Belarussians comes from the fact that part of them was recently slavified. How much Ukrainians influenced Lithuania, I'm not sure, I haven't counted but I think most loanwords were either of Polish or Belarussian origin in pre-Soviet Lithuania which is a clear indication of influences.

    What an amazing seperate ethnicity which apparently only consists of 5 million people (since we can't Estonians into that equation).  ::)
    It's the same dribble with the Irish in the British Isles who deassociate themselves with Britain, but to non-Anglos Irish are effectively British in culture and history.

    Balts is a meta-ethnicity, not ethncity.
    It does not matter what foreigners think about us because most of them know little to nothing.

    The Balts are in the Slav Sphere, whether they like it or not

    Slavic influence itself is not a problem. The problem is how it is delivered. If it's forced, then of course they have all the rights to view it negatively, in other words, culture deliverd through supression of local culture is not viewed positively. And I hope you are not talking about Soviet/neo Soviet/imperialist type of influences which I personally don't consider Slavic at all.
    These days Poland/Belarus don't influence Lithuania that much (maybe execpt southern Lithuania). Cultural influence from Russians mainly comes through knowledge of Russian language. In Latvia also through Russian immigrants.

    #397375

    Anonymous
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    Artifical Construct,

    1. The Estonians are Finno-Ugric people (similiar to Finns and Russified Volga Finns)

    Russians with finnic admixture are Northern ones, not Volga Russians. Latvians on other hand, are mixture of Balts and Balticised Ugro-finns. (in equal proportions)
    This was not ment as offense or anything like that, just stating something more or less well known.

    #397376

    Anonymous
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    Russians with finnic admixture are Northern ones, not Volga Russians. Latvians on other hand, are mixture of Balts and Balticised Ugro-finns. (in equal proportions)
    This was not ment as offense or anything like that, just stating something more or less well known.

    There is one Nordicist Estonian individual (quite famous) who indeed claims that Latvians are half Balt/half Uralic, but I really doubt it. Yes, Latvians have an Uralic input, but it's not that large, otherwise genetically they would be more distant from Lithuanians who have a low Uralic input.

    #397377

    Anonymous
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    Russians with finnic admixture are Northern ones, not Volga Russians. Latvians on other hand, are mixture of Balts and Balticised Ugro-finns. (in equal proportions)
    This was not ment as offense or anything like that, just stating something more or less well known.

    To some extent, it's like Scots being "Celto-Germanic". In the same way, Latvians are "Finno-Baltic", in the way that they speak a Baltic language, but they have a lot of Finnic heritage (around 50% probably).

    #397378

    Anonymous
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    What specifically do they have in common with Poles? I know you were both a part of the same country during the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but what modern customs?

    With regard to the modern customs Lithuania is among countries having the fastest Internet connectionin the world, so we envy them  :(  ;)

    #397379

    Anonymous
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    With regard to the modern customs Lithuania is among countries having the fastest Internet connectionin the world, so we envy them  :(  ;)

    So Latvians at this rate will be the South Koreans of Europe?  Maybe means a good thing for foreign men, since Latvian men will be too busy playing Starcraft or looking at Anime porn.  :D  ;D

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