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    "In 1905, with his brother Jacques, and under the guidance of Charles Richet, he began work on a gyroplane (the forerunner of the helicopter) with flexible wings. It achieved the first ascent of a vertical-flight aircraft with a pilot in 1907."[/li]

    I think these guys built the first working helicopter, or at least the prototype of the helicopter.

    Although there is some uncertainty about the dates, sometime between 14 August and 29 September 1907, the Gyroplane No. 1 lifted its pilot up into the air about two feet (0.6 m) for a minute. However, the Gyroplane No. 1 proved to be extremely unsteady and required a man at each corner of the airframe to hold it steady. For this reason, the flights of the Gyroplane No. 1 are considered to be the first manned flight of a helicopter, but not a free or untethered flight.

    I guess they are not listed as inventors because of this.

    #354836

    Anonymous
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    "In 1905, with his brother Jacques, and under the guidance of Charles Richet, he began work on a gyroplane (the forerunner of the helicopter) with flexible wings. It achieved the first ascent of a vertical-flight aircraft with a pilot in 1907."[/li]

    I think these guys built the first working helicopter, or at least the prototype of the helicopter.

    By so called first invented, one looks at the project which continual improvement brought us the product we see today. Innocenzo Manzetti, Antonio Meucci, Johann Philipp Reis, Elisha Gray, Alexander Graham Bell, and Thomas Edison, all did pioneer work concerning the telephone, but only the continual improvement of Alexander Graham Bell's project and patent, from which other patents for electric telephone devices and features flowed, is considered as the prime-invention, or first invented.

    #354837

    Anonymous
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    I guess they are not listed as inventors because of this.

    Ah, ok.

    #354838

    Anonymous

    Hello everybody.

    Recently I was listening a radio interview with Nikša Stipčević. It was an interview he gave few years ago and it was replayed as commemoration (one year since he died).

    At one point he was asked about influence of Latin (and Italian) language on Serbian language.

    He said influence started early with contact with romanized Balkan natives (who were later assimilated). As example he mentioned word košulja (кошуља) meaning shirt, which originates from latin castula, and can't be found in other Slavic languages (except other south Slavic languages bar Bulgarian). He also told something about similarities between vowels in Serbian and Italian. Other Slavic languages have preserved much more vowels than Serbian (only five). He didn't want to go into details because it isn't his field of expertise and mention some female name who is researching this. Didn't remember her name. Does anybody know who is she?

    #354839

    Anonymous

    Concerning vowels, Russian also have 5 (according to some 6, but difference between ы and и is in softness), Polish 8, Belarussian and Ukrainian 6, dont know for other. Some dialects of Serbian preserved ѣ. There is no drastic difference except Polish. OCS had 8 vowels and two half vowelss (or one since difference was again in softness)

    #354840

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    Some dialects of Serbian preserved ѣ.

    Which ones? Why don't more people use it?

    #354841

    Anonymous

    Lol, because most people do not use that vowel for last few hundred years, here you could see where yat was preserved, altough situation is lot different now due to heavy impact of schools and media.
    [img height=300]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dijalekti-%C5%A0tokavskog-nare%C4%8Dja.svg”/>

    #354842

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    [img height=300]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dijalekti-%C5%A0tokavskog-nare%C4%8Dja.svg”/>

    It says my area speaks "Mađi Ikavski". Is that the same as Ikavski?

    #354843

    Anonymous

    No, Čakavian is mostly Ikavian. Also there were old-Štokavian ikavian speaches which deeveloped in younger-Štokavian ikavian.

    #354844

    Anonymous
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    No, Čakavian is mostly Ikavian. Also there were old-Štokavian ikavian speaches which deeveloped in younger-Štokavian ikavian.

    So what are the characteristics of Mlađi Ikavski?

    #354845

    Anonymous
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    Concerning vowels, Russian also have 5 (according to some 6, but difference between ы and и is in softness), Polish 8, Belarussian and Ukrainian 6, dont know for other. Some dialects of Serbian preserved ѣ. There is no drastic difference except Polish. OCS had 8 vowels and two half vowelss (or one since difference was again in softness)

    There are 10 vowels in the Russian alphabet with the letter 'ы'. 11 vowles in Belarusian alphabet with the letters: 'ы' and ‘ў’, and 10 vowels in Ukranian with the letter ‘ї’.

    #354846

    Anonymous

    Here is detailed description:

    C. Štokavski ikavski govor, kojim uglavnom govore muslimani, mada ne svi na zapadu od reka Bosne i Neretve i većinom Hrvati štokavci zapadno od ovih reka i južno od Save i Kupe i duž ovih reka, s obzirom na nejednako čuvaše nekih starijih jezičkih osobina, uglavnom je trojakog tipa.

        Najstariji štokavski ikavski govori pružaju se duž reke Save od Gradiške do prema Brčkom sa slavonske strane i poznati su pod nazivom posavskih šavskih govora. Osnovni predstavnici prvoga dijalekta verovatno su dosta davno tamo došli, najverovatnije odnekuda s čakavske teritorije. A što su oni tako dugo sačuvali neke posebne dijalekatske osobine, tome je, svakako, pomogla okolnost što se baš na njihovu terenu pre nekoliko vekova nalazila slavonska oblast Vojne granice, koja je naročitim ustrojstvom bila odvojena od susednih oblasti. Od jezičkih osobina koje ovome dijalektu daju posebno obeležje možemo navesti čuvanje starih i posebnih oblika za padeže množine: žen, sel (gen. mn.), gradom (dat. mn.), sa sšovi (instr. mn.), o poklada, na konji (lok. mn.); čuvanje najstarije akcentuacije od tri akcenta, s karakterističnim akutom, koji poznaje još jedino čakavski dijalekat; česti izgovor suglasničkih grupa št i žd kao šć i žđ; nepromenjen suglasnik l na kraju reči: kazal, čul; neizvršen proces progresivnog jotovanja u grupama jt i jd (pored doći i dođem, govori se i dojti,dojdem) i dr.
        Zapadnobosanski ikavski govori. Pošto se nalaze na terenu (zapadno od reke Bosne) gde je, svakako, ranije bilo čakavskih osobina, ovi govori takođe čuvaju neke dijalekatske crte karakteristične za čakavske govore. I ovde su česti slučajevi neizvršenog jotovanja u primerima kao što su, dojdem, pojdem, najdete; sreće se izgovor suglasnika đ kao j: meja, mejaš: preja, tuji, slaji, a ima i sačuvanih oblika stare deklinacije. U ovim govorima kao i u nekad im susednim čakavskim i istočnokajkavskim, mesto št i žd izgovara se šć i žđ: šćap, ognjišće, šićete, možđani itd. Oni znaju i za nove uzlazne akcente koji se javljaju samo na pretposlednjem slogu, na koji su dospeli prenošenjem kratkog akcenta s kraja reči: trava (od starog trava) i potok (od starog potok). Na svim ostalim slogovima oba silazna akcenta ostaju nepromenjena (tamnica, govoriti), a dugi akcenat se još čuva i na krajnjem slogu reči (junak, trave).
        Najmlađi, zapadnohercegovački ikavski govori, u koje pored onih na terenu zapadne Hercegovine idu još i dalmatinski i ličko-krbavski, imaju najnoviju štokavsku sistemu od četiri akcenta, a uglavnom i oblike nove deklinacije, mada se u ovome poslednjem (tj. ličko-krbavskom, kao i u ijekavskom u toj oblasti) ponegde sreću i stariji oblici imeničke deklinacije, ali dosta retko. U dalmatinskom i ličko-krbavskom se pretežno izgovara šć mesto št, a na kraju reči, kao u čakavskom, n mesto m. A u svima njima ima i još po koji verovatan čakavizam, kao što je izgovor re – mesto ra u rečima: treva, resti, rebac (m. trava, rasti, vrabac). Osim stanovništva na označenom terenu, štokavski ikavski govore i Hrvati u južnoj i zapadnoj Istri i u severozapadnoj Bačkoj (Bunjevci). Ali između jednih i drugih ovih govora ima više, i sasvim razumljivih, razlika. Istarski štokavsko-ikavski govori su se davno odvojili od govora istoga tipa i razvijali se u dodiru s drugim jezikom, onim naime kojim je govorilo romansko stanovništvo Istre; od naših pak dijalekata s njim su u dodiru bili istarski čakavski govori. A ikavski bunjevački govori severozapadne Bačke u neprekidnom su doticaju s najmlađim novoštokavskim govorima, i imaju sve osobine koje karakterišu ove poslednje; oni, dakle, i pored nekih posebnih odlika, idu u najmlađe novoštokavske govore.

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    There are 10 vowels in the Russian alphabet with the letter 'ы'. 11 vowles in Belarusian alphabet with the letters: 'ы' and ‘ў’, and 10 vowels in Ukranian with the letter ‘ї’.

    From orthograpical point of view, there is 10 letters for writing vowels, but there is just 5 phonemas front close (i), front back (u), mid close (e), mid back and open (a) (according to Moscow school 5, Peterburg school considers there is 6, close central (ɨ)). It is same as Serbian system (if we take point of wiew of Moscow school).

    Russian vowels(Ru)

    Russian vowels(En)

    #354847

    Anonymous

    there was this guy in "Serbia's got the talent" and he said (singed), refering to these languages and Serbo-Croatian from SFRJ, "with Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian I became a polyglot" in last 20 years, so there is no difference apart from few words and pronauncing wovel ѣ (yat) Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin/Serbian(in Bosnia): (i)je (spells that way to), Serbia: e and Croat ikavian: i. and that's it

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