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  • #354790

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    Не дају брате, желе да нас подјеле. Више ни Србин, Србин није. :)

    Завидим Хрватима, у нас сви исти, а три државе, у нјих не зна се ко је чији а држе се ко' од исте мајке рођени.

    najgore je sto mene npr svojataju sto ovi Dukljani, sto Albanci, sto Hrvati, sto Bosnjaci… ne bi me na kraju cudilo da se javi neki Skotlandjanin i kaze da sam jedan od njih (zbog klanova) :D
    To sam sto jesam, imam i bogat rodoslov da to potvrdi, a drugi mogu da misle i rade sta hoce sa sve nekim "naucnim" teorijama i teoremama :)
    Sto se tice ovih srpsko-hrvatskih rasprava, njima sam odavno prestao da se bavim. nikada se ne izvuce poenta :) zato ostajem neutralan.

    #354791

    Anonymous
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    najgore je sto mene npr svojataju sto ovi Dukljani, sto Albanci, sto Hrvati, sto Bosnjaci… ne bi me na kraju cudilo da se javi neki Skotlandjanin i kaze da sam jedan od njih (zbog klanova) :D
    To sam sto jesam, imam i bogat rodoslov da to potvrdi, a drugi mogu da misle i rade sta hoce sa sve nekim "naucnim" teorijama i teoremama :)
    Sto se tice ovih srpsko-hrvatskih rasprava, njima sam odavno prestao da se bavim. nikada se ne izvuce poenta :) zato ostajem neutralan.

    Нема горег од досаде, ако форум не живне, усталит' ће се :)

    Кад нема своје, желе твоје, кад им кажеш ало, нејде то тако, не можеш мјењат књигу како теби одговара, кажу да књиге лажу. Колико сам ја примјетио пишу од 90'их неку нову историју, сад сваки своју повијест има. Узалудна им работа, кад постоје кнјиге прије 90'их. Овако их с времена на вријеме подсјетиш, да не одмаштају превише. Зна Далибор с њима, човјек има стрпљења, ја брзо планем, он одтихује… монашки.

    #354792

    Anonymous

    Cvetinov, let's just stop it here now…why i replied to you is for you to see that both Serbs and Croats can be dismembered into pieces and one could find numerous both local and neighboring people in our countries. So stop mentioning Croats 24/7 and proving we're all Serbs because you both know that isn't true. So let's put a dot on this topic and avoid us, and if you can't resist i'm sure there is some your national board where all that would be more than welcome since topics tend to derail when you start proving something. There is a lot of things we Croats could prove too and provide a bunch of information about numerous historical topics considering Serbia but then again i'm not sure would there anything positive come out of it. Focus on something else from now on.

    #354793

    Anonymous
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    Cvetinov, let's just stop it here now…why i replied to you is for you to see that both Serbs and Croats can be dismembered into pieces and one could find numerous both local and neighboring people in our countries. So stop mentioning Croats 24/7 and proving we're all Serbs because you both know that isn't true. So let's put a dot on this topic and avoid us, and if you can't resist i'm sure there is some your national board where all that would be more than welcome since topics tend to derail when you start proving something. There is a lot of things we Croats could prove too and provide a bunch of information about numerous historical topics considering Serbia but then again i'm not sure would there anything positive come out of it. Focus on something else from now on.

    No Pentaz, I am not proving that Croats are Serbs, on the contrary I am defending my Serbian heritage from being hijacked by ethnicities that would like to present it as their own. It is my patriotic duty to fight against that. Croats are Croats, and should stay like that, I am not proving them as Serbs for they aren't Serbs. After the 90's I do not know what devil got into your head to look for 'more heritage' which you could write down as your own, I explain it with new nation > new history, but every time you put just a single piece of our own, down into your history books, and label it as 'Croat' you will get the reaction you are seeing.

    No nation would tolerate that, especially not the Serbs. For you are not Serbs, and by that are not allowed to take or share a slightest part of our heritage.

    #354794

    Anonymous
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    No Pentaz, I am not proving that Croats are Serbs, on the contrary I am defending my Serbian heritage from being hijacked by ethnicities that would like to present it as their own. It is my patriotic duty to fight against that. Croats are Croats, and should stay like that, I am not proving them as Serbs for they aren't Serbs.

    No nation would tolerate that, especially not the Serbs. For you are not Serbs, and by that are not allowed to take or share a slightest part of our heritage.

    Cvetinov, we do not need or want your Serbian heritage, certain idiots in the past imposed that on us; we will take what we want or need, nobody can force us into such things again (EU even started that now but it will stop with time).
    This is a forum for sharing SLAVIC heritage, so all Slavic people are free to share their knowledge about that topic but in a good will, not with an intention to start a fight. Somehow your posts often provoke a negative reply; with your knowledge you should be a moderator here,not a instigator of conflict;think before you write.

    #354795

    Anonymous
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    Cvetinov, we do not need or want your Serbian heritage, certain idiots in the past imposed that on us; we will take what we want or need, nobody can force us into such things again (EU even started that now but it will stop with time).
    This is a forum for sharing SLAVIC heritage, so all Slavic people are free to share their knowledge about that topic but in a good will, not with an intention to start a fight. Somehow your posts often provoke a negative reply; with your knowledge you should be a moderator here,not a instigator of conflict;think before you write.

    And why is that? is a question one should ask. This is also a forum for preserving Slavic heritage (stands in the banner), thus my duty is to preserve MY Slavic heritage. Sometimes although unwillingly I have to act harsh when being confronted with a mass of imagination and fabrication, as well as the energy invested in such wild fantasies, that I have to act stern against such claims. That harshness however does provoke negative replies, although it shouldn't, it could also provoke a meaningful discussion about the subject… unfortunately, and you ask yourself why, it doesn't.

    – I will answer; Young people (one can also say young nations) do not need discussion, they need myths to feel better for doing nothing.

    #354796

    Anonymous
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    And why is that? is a question one should ask. This is also a forum for preserving Slavic heritage (stands in the banner), thus my duty is to preserve MY Slavic heritage. Sometimes although unwillingly I have to act harsh when being confronted with a mass of imagination and fabrication, as well as the energy invested in such wild fantasies, that I have to act stern against such claims. That harshness however does provoke negative replies, although it shouldn't, it could also provoke a meaningful discussion about the subject… unfortunately, and you ask yourself why, it doesn't.

    – I will answer; Young people do not need discussion, they need myths to feel better for doing nothing.

    Man,you have some problems but there is a place to solve that and it is not this forum.
    Have a nice day.

    #354797

    Anonymous
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    Have a nice day.

    Thank you, likewise.

    #354798

    Anonymous

    Well, guys there is allways ignore option. I think last thing Serbs and Croats need is another clash. We could have and certainly we do have different opinion on certaing things, but for God's sake, no need to point it on each forum from Japan to Alaska.

    #354799

    Anonymous
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    Well, guys there is allways ignore option. I think last thing Serbs and Croats need is another clash. We could have and certainly we do have different opinion on certaing things, but for God's sake, no need to point it on each forum from Japan to Alaska.

    There is a need for consensus Dalibor, and the quarrels will proceed until that consensus is finally met. Not by us, which will get tired with time, but by those coming after, with fresh energy to start a new. This will continue until consensus is met.

    Ignoring instead of discussing, will bring us to where we are now. Nowhere. This forum is a good platform, but unfortunately without capable or willing users that would engage a meaningful discussion. Young people like stated are in no need for that, they need myths to pump their ego's. Sitting in a chair watching porn and imagining themselves more aryan, more noble, more worth than others, by nothing more than their birth.

    There is no honour or nobility in such a stance. A Gypsy that fights the cr[size=1pt]'[/size]ap of the world he was confronted with by his birth, has more noble character and honour, than a white, aryan Slav masturbating to midget porn and discussing subracial phenotypes.

    #354800

    Anonymous

    Back to the topic. I mostly can tell whether I hear Croatian or Serbian, but Bosnian… I couldn't identify it.

    #354801

    Anonymous
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    There is a need for consensus Dalibor, and the quarrels will proceed until that consensus is finally met. Not by us, which will get tired with time, but by those coming after, with fresh energy to start a new. This will continue until consensus is met.

    Well, problem is that consesus should be reached by Serbian and Croatian linguists and linguist from rest of world specialized in Serbistic and Croazistic (people trained for those languages). Niether of people who discussed there is linguist. I gathered few things during school, what to say 7 langages during some 16 years, but I am theologian specialized in New Testament, History of Church and Canon Law, I am not linguist. I stated my opinion allready in this thread, enough from me.
    If you wish to preserve our heritage, just do as you are allready doing in other threads.

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    Back to the topic. I mostly can tell whether I hear Croatian or Serbian, but Bosnian… I couldn't identify it.

    Konzervativac, will tell you speak "razvaljeni bošnjački" :P (broken Bosniak). To be honest, you first must ask speaker how he declares himself by nationality, before deteminiating which language he speak.

    #354802

    Anonymous
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    Konzervativac, will tell you speak "razvaljeni bošnjački" :P (broken Bosniak). To be honest, you first must ask speaker how he declares himself by nationality, before deteminiating which language he speak.

    But there must be certain differences that I'm not able to distinguish in spoken language yet (like I am usually able to do so between Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian). Though Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian are closer to each other than Slovenian, Serbian / Croatian and Bulgarian.

    #354803

    Anonymous
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    But there must be certain differences that I'm not able to distinguish in spoken language yet (like I am usually able to do so between Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian). Though Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian are closer to each other than Slovenian, Serbian / Croatian and Bulgarian.

    Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian are three languages. I learnt Russian, I understand Ukrianian pretty well, and Belarussian only in certain degree. On other hand I understand perfectly Croatian TV. Few months ago, there was request for Nova TV to title Serbian films, it was not good accepted, since TV auditorium understand it. There is certain difference in accent, you could determine who is from Varaždin, who is from Valjevo, there is certain difference in terminology (espetialy in scholary works), but unless there is some Čakavian or Kajkavian song Serbs will understan Croatian TV.

    #354804

    Anonymous
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    Well, problem is that consesus should be reached by Serbian and Croatian linguists and linguist from rest of world specialized in Serbistic and Croazistic (people trained for those languages). Niether of people who discussed there is linguist. I gathered few things during school, what to say 7 langages during some 16 years, but I am theologian specialized in New Testament, History of Church and Canon Law, I am not linguist. I stated my opinion allready in this thread, enough from me. If you wish to preserve our heritage, just do as you are allready doing in other threads.

    Yes you are right, I hope it will come to that. And I will surely proceed, if people feel offended by our heritage, then they should ask or state arguments they find reasonable, rather than to negatively reply, because exactly that is the foundation of every meaningful discussion we should try to achieve.

    I will give an example; I was posting a message about Šokci, what I believe a Slavic ethnographic group native to the Pannonian Basin, more precisely Slavonia. Instead of negatively replying, one could have answered with an argument that it is believed that a large portion of them migrated from parts of medieval Croatia because of the Turkish oppression and islamisation, which is also supported by their pronunciation of the letter 'jat' as 'i', like the Croats still inhabiting that area pronounce. Let's hope we will get to that level someday.

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