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    "[size=8pt]Hundreds of civilians were slaughtered in Vukovar in a massacre by Serb paramilitaries[/size]"

    Croatia has told the top UN court that Serbian leaders are "in denial" over a policy of genocide it says was carried out on its territory in the 1990s.

    Zagreb wants the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague to rule that Serbia committed genocide in the city of Vukovar and elsewhere in 1991.

    Vukovar was devastated in the 1991-95 war when it was occupied by Serbs.

    Serbia has filed a counter claim over the expulsion of 230,000 Serbs from Croatia in 1995.

    UN 1948 Genocide Convention

        Act committed with intent to destroy in whole or part a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
        Killing members of the group
        Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
        Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring physical destruction
        Imposing measures intended to prevent births
        Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

        UN Genocide Convention text

    An estimated 20,000 people died during Croatia's four-year war of independence, during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Several hundred Vukovar citizens were murdered by the Yugoslav army and Serb paramilitaries in 1991.

    Some 2,000 people were murdered four years later, during and after the Croatian counter-offensive, entitled Operation Storm.

    Serbia's countersuit will be heard by the ICJ next week.

    Relations between the two neighbours have improved in recent years, but in 2012 Serbia was furious when the commander of Operation Storm, Ante Gotovina, was cleared on appeal by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
    Hate speech

    "Many political leaders in Serbia have maintained an attitude of denial," the head of Croatia's legal team Vesna Crnic-Grotic told the court on Monday. She cited remarks made by President Tomislav Nikolic in 2012 in which he disputed that genocide had been committed in the Srebrenica massacre of 1995.

    The Croatian legal team told the court that the first phase of genocide emerged out of hate speech and demonisation directed at Croats.

    By the time Croatian forces were attacked, the court heard that the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) had become a Serbian national army in reality and that Serbian paramilitaries were under its control.

    The head of Serbia's legal team said on Sunday that horrific crimes did take place but did not have "the characteristics of genocide".

    The Croatian team will spend this week presenting its arguments before the Serbian counter-claim next week.

    Then both sides will be able to cross-examine witnesses.

    A binding ruling is expected either late this year or in early 2015.

    The ICJ's judges will decide whether either country or both are guilty of genocide, incitement to commit genocide or complicity in genocide in Croatia between 1991 and 1995.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26415503

    #429576

    Anonymous

    Maybe after this we can solve our problems and finally move on with clean start. After all we are neighbours and sooner or later we must solve our problems.

    #429577

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    Maybe after this we can solve our problems and finally move on with clean start. After all we are neighbours and sooner or later we must solve our problems.

    I think the outcome is already known.Both countries will be cleared of the accusations for genocide by the tribunal.It will be a political decision.Croatia is an EU member now,and Serbia is an EU candidate.It wouldn't look good for the union if one or both countries were found guilty of genocide,so they'll find both countries not guilty.

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    I think the outcome is already known.Both countries will be cleared of the accusations for genocide by the tribunal.It will be a political decision.Croatia is an EU member now,and Serbia is an EU candidate.It wouldn't look good for the union if one or both countries were found guilty of genocide,so they'll find both countries not guilty.

    I think it is very early to say anything about final court decision. What about Germany and genocide :)

    #429579

    Anonymous

    Too few have died for it to be considered genocide.Also there was some talk of redefinition of the term "genocide" in the recent years,so I'm not sure that genocide these days means what it meant in 1941.

    #429580

    Anonymous

    It is not that number that counts, of course it is important, ethnic cleansing, methods of killing, etc are important to determinate the term genocide. In this case word genocide is too strong maybe, but it isn´t so far. I don´t know i´m not expert in law. We will see, at the end the truth is what is count.

    #429581

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    It is not that number that counts, of course it is important, ethnic cleansing, methods of killing, etc are important to determinate the term genocide. In this case word genocide is too strong maybe, but it isn´t so far. I don´t know i´m not expert in law. We will see, at the end the truth is what is count.

    The truth will never be known; one side claims a thing while the other side claims another. Sure, they may settle and reach some sort of deal, and perhaps even outwardly appear to be getting along, but there will be ethnic tension as long as there are those who would teach children to hate. In Serbian schools they learn about the evils the Croatians did, in Croatian schools they learn about the evils the Serbians did, and the hate vibrates through the generations.

    #429582

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    The truth will never be known; one side claims a thing while the other side claims another. Sure, they may settle and reach some sort of deal, and perhaps even outwardly appear to be getting along, but there will be ethnic tension as long as there are those who would teach children to hate. In Serbian schools they learn about the evils the Croatians did, in Croatian schools they learn about the evils the Serbians did, and the hate vibrates through the generations.

    The truth, of course, knows very well and unfortunately Igor're absolutely right. Peace will never be until you realize that all people with equal rights and obligations. These national centers of power will never allow (primarily churches), because then lose their importance, and it could easily happen to them people because of their wicked acts penalties.

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    The truth, of course, knows very well and unfortunately Igor're absolutely right. Peace will never be until you realize that all people with equal rights and obligations. These national centers of power will never allow (primarily churches), because then lose their importance, and it could easily happen to them people because of their wicked acts penalties.

    Signed

    #429584

    Anonymous

    hmmm how can translate that in english language… in most eastern and western slavic languages word "PRAVDA"(ПРАВДА)  means "TRUTH". In south slavic  PRAVDA means JUSTICE…. There is no "pravda"

    #429585

    Anonymous

    sad, both countries are ran by idiots…. but which one isnt…. On the other hand, you are never going to find the real truth. I say drop the lawsuits and move the F ON. We are better than this…. or at least I think we are.

    #429586

    Anonymous

    Imagine thaht, for example, five thousand of Serbs, Croats and Muslims together go and pay homage to the monuments of all fallen soldiers in the most nonsensical war ever…  It gives me chills when thinking about it

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