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    Many of us here are interested in our Slavic ancient faith. That's why I think the idea of Slavic heathenry revival appeared by everyone.
    In this topic I want you to discuss two aspects of this question:
    1) Final view of heathenry national faith in your country and its bond between our countries.
    2) A possible way to set up Slavic old faith as the national religion.
    Let me construe these 2 points in my instance. I will speak about Russia.
    I think that eventually Russian national faith should consist of christianity and heathenry being of equal worth. I don't know what to do with all orthodox churches and temples if heanthry prevails. So also taking into account a lot of people today belonging to Orthodox faith this faith shouldn't be eliminated at all.
    The problem is existence of a main deity. Should national heathenry faith be monotheistic or not? Instead of many rodnovers, who stands up for Rod supremacy, I consider a lot of equally strong deities to be significant part of heathenry. I suppose a main god is a personal choice of everyone. Therefore the slavic temples have to be erected only voluntarily and as much as possible without any destruction of nature. In first order heathenry is a connection between a man and nature.
    As a result I'd like to see the following pattern in Russia: a lot of slavic sanctuaries scattered through the whole country, dedicated to different deities and located in impressive natural places. If every slavic country holds this strategy the global European pattern will be like in the ancient centuries, when a lot of slavic pilgrim made a rise to such magnificent Slavic temples like Arkona. It will greatly enhance the interslavic relationships. :)
    But the second point doesn't vanish. How can we lead heathenry to a national faith? And generally speaking, do we need to make it a national faith? Or will it be enough to be a faith of folk? I hold an opinion of promotion of the Slavic faith among a folk and gradual development from the lower strata to at least a faith of folk. Let christianity even be a government faith. The main is that folk chooses heathenry. By the way if we consider Russia, some finnish folks like Mari have been keeping to their old pagan faith even so far and popularity of its increases. Why then Slavs can't do it?

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    Many of us here are interested in our Slavic ancient faith. That's why I think the idea of Slavic heathenry revival appeared by everyone.
    In this topic I want you to discuss two aspects of this question:
    1) Final view of heathenry national faith in your country and its bond between our countries.
    2) A possible way to set up Slavic old faith as the national religion.

    First of all, in most of the Slavic countries even thought Rodnovjerje is a strong movement, no where administration wise isn't recognized as some sort of religon…so first, that should be made, to get the authorities to recognize it as a official legal faith so people practicing it wouldn't be viewed as some sort of cultists.

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    Let me construe these 2 points in my instance. I will speak about Russia.
    I think that eventually Russian national faith should consist of christianity and heathenry being of equal worth. I don't know what to do with all orthodox churches and temples if heanthry prevails. So also taking into account a lot of people today belonging to Orthodox faith this faith shouldn't be eliminated at all.

    Orthodoxy and Catholicism are both quite strong in Slavic countries…so naturally you wouldnt like to be an opressor of your own people and force them to Rodnovjerje, but for example messures should be made to at least try to make our people show interest in their native faith, and in some longer period many would maybe even convert.

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    The problem is existence of a main deity. Should national heathenry faith be monotheistic or not? Instead of many rodnovers, who stands up for Rod supremacy, I consider a lot of equally strong deities to be significant part of heathenry. I suppose a main god is a personal choice of everyone. Therefore the slavic temples have to be erected only voluntarily and as much as possible without any destruction of nature. In first order heathenry is a connection between a man and nature.
    As a result I'd like to see the following pattern in Russia: a lot of slavic sanctuaries scattered through the whole country, dedicated to different deities and located in impressive natural places. If every slavic country holds this strategy the global European pattern will be like in the ancient centuries, when a lot of slavic pilgrim made a rise to such magnificent Slavic temples like Arkona. It will greatly enhance the interslavic relationships. :)

    Rodnovery, or Rodnovjerje is a good and easy transition for Christnians into Slavic ancestral faith. Becase 1 supreme Christian god is similar to the Rodnovjerje standpoint of Rod as supreme god…even thought i believe Rodnovjerje shouldnt be such, but made of whole pantheon of Slavic gods, it's a good start.

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    But the second point doesn't vanish. How can we lead heathenry to a national faith? And generally speaking, do we need to make it a national faith? Or will it be enough to be a faith of folk? I hold an opinion of promotion of the Slavic faith among a folk and gradual development from the lower strata to at least a faith of folk. Let christianity even be a government faith. The main is that folk chooses heathenry. By the way if we consider Russia, some finnish folks like Mari have been keeping to their old pagan faith even so far and popularity of its increases.

    There's no need to make it national faith, but as i said it should be recognized and made official, so people wouldn't think of it as some sort of cult (as such groups usually deflect new people), so if it would be official many would actually become interested in it.

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    Why then Slavs can't do it?

    Actually, i believe we have the largest heathen groups out of all ethnicities in Europe. It's just our population is huge in numbers and you hear much more of radical Christians (especially among Croats & Poles Catholics, and Serbs and Russians orthodox). Rodnovjerje still has some sort of underground movement feeling to it.

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    1) Final view of heathenry national faith in your country and its bond between our countries.

    Rodzimowierstwo is strong in Poland thanks to Zadruga movement, which influenced further, later organisations, like Toporzel, Zrzeszenie Rodzimej Wiary, Trygław and Niklot, which will never allow pagan legacy of Slavs to die in Poland.

    For Poland, I would wish for Stachniuk's (creator of Zadruga) works to spread among Polish youth and for it to be implemented on societal level. There is so much beauty and peace that comes with this culture, that I believe it could only succeed.

    Since Poland is brutally Catholic, key for their acceptance would be to show them how many Polish/Catholic traditions have pagan roots and traditions, especially central themes like Christmas in Poland and its Northern Heathen roots!

    Bond between our countries? I will tell you only this, Puchacz, were it not for schism in Christian denominations (Orthodox vs. Western) and later Islam (in case of Bosniaks, Pomaks, Torlaks, Gorani etc.), none of this terrible wars (like Times of Troubles in Russia thanks to Polish Vatican fanaticism, where millions of Russians died, and then Russian wars of revenge afterwards that claimed millions of Polish lives, and which poisoned our relations terribly until even today, or for example Yugoslav Wars where millions of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians were slaughtered in 90's wars or during WWII, thanks to Orthodox/Catholic/Muslim allegiences of peoples involved in all those conflicts) would have happened. Russia and Poland would be brothers today, all Southern Slavs would be brothers today, if we had all maintained original Slavic faith, something that truly bonded us all.

    Perhaps if all Slavic countries maintained ONE denomination of Christianity, things would have looked different, but this did not happen.

    Instead, it turned out like:

    The Shoe Is The Sign – The Beginning

    Amazing how Europeans were able disagree so much over book written by some old jews that MILLIONS of their kin died.

    2) A possible way to set up Slavic old faith as the national religion.

    Hehe, this is hard part. ;) As I said before, there would have to obviously be serious movement first, which then could challenge Vatican authority in Poland by showing how much Slavic pagan tradition can be found in Polish Catholicism, to show that church simply came and corrupted original faiths in order to gain control of Polish population of those ancient times. Rest was pretty much summed up well by comrade Pentaz earlier.

    Let's face it, among Northern Slavs, who are most powerful and influential two countries? Russia and Poland (maybe Ukraine). In South Slavs? Serbia and Croatia (maybe Bulgaria). Without those denomination boundries removed, what stand in way of full Slavic brotherhood and unity?

    After all, all it takes is certain number of registered followers, and it stops becoming cult, rather registered and one of official religions.
    Question is finding enough followers to get it started.

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