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    Anonymous

    This is my first post here, I hope I am in the right place. This post will probably be long, as I have a story to tell. I hope that if you bear with me, you will at least enjoy the tale if not have your own comments to make. So, as my handle suggests, I am of mixed European anscestry, I do live in America, no doubt aiding to that mixing process. I am Mostly Slovakian, and thus mostly Slavic, however I do also have Celtic (Scottish) and Nordic (Swede) blood as well. Now, I have always identified with all of my heritages, to a certain extent, but even though I am mostly Slovak, that is the part about myself of which I know the least.

    On to my main point; while I have identified with my different heritages, I still have always felt sort-of adrift and not entirely connected to anything. I have found the Judeo-Christian God and religious institutions lacking, unable to sustain any kind of faith for me. This desert religion seems hollow and unfulfilling to me, though I do unserstand that not everyone has that experience. As such, I have come to think of myself as an Atheist. However, I have always felt a pull or attraction to the Pagan religions of Europe. I know that these are the religions of my anscestors, not some desert religion. And while still Atheist, I can feel the pull through the ages to my anscestral beliefs, if that makes any sense.

    So I learned first a little about the Celtic traditions, and they intrigued me but it didn’t quite fit. Soon after I learned about my Norse heritage, of course vikings are always exciting. The traditions of Odin, Thor, Freya, Loki, all very exciting, and while it moved me, it didn’t make me feel any different. Now, more recently, I have learned of the resurgence of Slavic paganism. This interested me greatly, as it was basically the greatest mystery about my heritage that I had left. So of course, first I learned of Perun and Veles, their story truly has ancient roots and I felt their power. Then I realized that the Norse God Thor is literally just Perun with a hammer, and the story of Thoir chasing Loki obviously comes from this ilder Slavic belief. I think this is why Norse mythology felt partway right, because much of it is borrowed from Slavic traditions. I learned about Jarilo and Morana, and Svarog, amongst others.

    But then something happened, and I did something for reasons unbeknownst to me. Something inside of me, inside my Atheist mind, compelled me to make a Perun Idol. I tried to brush the thought away, but I found that the desire to create a pagan idol to Perun kept overriding all other thoughts or desires. Now, I am not at my home right now, and as such I have no access to my woodshop, so I decided I would simply draw a reprisentation of Perun holding sword and shield on paper, and turn it into a cylinder so it stands upright. I also wrote his name in Cyrillic and I drew a ceremonial axe-head with a swarzyca among other imbellishments I saw on a picture of historical ceremonial axe-heads. Even thought it was late, I felt very compelled to do a good job on this, and I worked on it until the wee hours of the morning. He is a paper idol until I am able to get to the shop and make a more permanent wooden one, but he already is giving me meaning, I woke up today and thanked him, and it actually felt meaningful. I cannot wait to get home and make the more permanent version, it feels like Perun is bringing positivity into my life, and I thank him for it.

    My dilemma, of course, is that I still feel that I am an Atheist, I just feel like I am being compelled to do these things because I feel an anscestral connection. I feel like, by doing something in the name of Perun, I am doing something that would make my anscestors happy. Plus, if it provides motivation to get things done, then that’s good too. Don’t want to let Perun or the anscestors down.

    I guess what I’m doing now is wondering why it almost feels like this heritage was hidden from me? My parents are not very religious, my mother is Atheist also, and my father is a Christian of the most laid-back variety. I could have been buddhist if I had wanted to, because they left my spiritual path open to me. So it’s not them I’m blaming. But why didn’t I learn about this anywhere else? In school, I was told about Celts, and learned a little of their culture in World History, same with the Norse/Vikings, but we never learned about the Slavs, or learned about their beliefs. I never see anything about them, ever, while I see reprisentations of Vikings and Celts constantly in movies or games. Not that it has never happened ever (The Witcher, Polish), but it is rare. And then of course the Nazis hijacked the swastika, turning it from a great thing to a terrible thing in most people’s eyes. I mean, I guess it just feels like History has stolen much of my Slav culture, and even learning about it is such a breath of fresh air that it is the closest thing I have ever had to a religious experience. I will continue to focus on bettering my life for Perun and my anscestors, and finish his proper idol as soon as possible.

    #430093

    Anonymous

    What makes you think that Nordic people borrowed legends from Slavs? Why not Slavs borrowed from Nordic people? :p

    To be honest, I do not believe in such spiritual stuff. I am interested in some particular religions too, although I am not a follower of them. Aren’t you simply looking for some “spiritual sense” in your life?

    #430097

    Anonymous

    I wasn’t trying to say Nordics ripped off Slavs, even if that is, in fact, what I said, lol. I have some of both in me, anyway. The point was that I could feel my connection to one through the other, and the Slavic connection felt more powerful to me when I compared them. It is possible that Nordics came up with it first,,,,, it would seem more likely that such beliefs would pass from the homeland, through the Slavic lands, and end up in Nordic lands that way, so that’s why I said that, but of course I could be wrong.

    No, I have no need of a spiritual sense, although there is a spiritual component to this. I am Atheist, and happy with that. I looked into the religions presented when I was younger, and am happy with my decision. I do not think that being exposed to my slavic heritage at a younger age would have done anything either. And I do not believe that “the spirit of Perun” dwells inside me or something now, I made the idol because it made me feel good, it made me feel a connection to my anscestors. That, specifically, is what this is about,

    It’s not that I’m looking for spirituality, I have that. But as an American, I have no cultural identity that appeals to me. Yes, of course I love my country, but we don’t have much of established culture, and mostly what we do have revolves around Judeo-Christian concepts, which I reject. I also do not like the way American culture seems to be going right now either, but that’s another issue altogether. So I may be spiritually sound, but I have no “cultural sense,” I feel that is what I have lost.

    This is more about getting in touch with an anscestral cultural identity. Now, if you want to call that a “spiritual sense,” then so be it, but from my point of view, I am spiritually secure, and already have a complete “spiritual sense” of being in my psyche, I just need the foundation of being in touch with my ethnocultural heritage to tie it all together. So it really is more about heritage than spirituality.

    #430101
    Boris V.
    Boris V.
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    @dedushka

    Welcome to Slavorum :)

    #428693

    Anonymous

    @GaiusCoriolanus I too think it was slavic religion influencing nordic one. Reason for this is slavic religion is far older than even slavic name, and as such, much older than any mentions of nordic anything. Besides, slavic religion seems to be hot mess, it appears every village has its own interpretation of who’s done what, who’s responsible for what and so on. Nordic religion is very organized compared to slavic one, which suggests it was influenced by specific “tribe”.

    As far as @SlavicXCelticXNordic ‘s ancestry, here’s interesting fact: Serbs are regarded as slavs as they do speak slavic language, and they do (or did in olden times) have typical slavic customs and rituals. Serbs however genetically, don’t really fit with other slavs. Genetically serbs are closest to Irish (celtic connection), swedes (nordic connection) and weirdest one yet, with gorgians (no idea how that came about). Now apparently this mixing of serbs and irish and swedes and georgians, isn’t something recent, so much so that mixing actually happened before names like “srbs” or “sklavs” ever showed up in history. But still, even genetically so funny, serbs are regarded as slavs. So your ancestry is, in a way, not so mixed as you thought. You are kinda full circle of very long, and very funny history.

    As for your atheism and desire to make perun idol, I think I get that. I’m an atheist, and I don’t think perun or svarog or others are real just as abrahams god isn’t real. But. The way I see it, old slavic pagan gods are gods of sun, and sky, and dirt, and rain. Old slavic gods are gods of life. And they are gods of real things.. sun, and sky, and rain, and dirt are all real things. And they all bring life, as in food will grow out of them, and that food will feed other food as well as us. So you can see relevance of these gods, even today, even if you don’t work the till all day on the sun for your food, you do know, deep down, that food you are eating was produced in a process completely dependent on rain, and sun, and dirt and air. Basically, that makes old slavic pagan gods real, doesn’t it? I mean, what is god of sun, if not sun itself?

    Meanwhile, god of abraham is god of afterlife. Good life finding relevance in that one.

    #428702

    Anonymous

    @SlavicXCelticXNordic dude, if you can’t convey your ideas in one or two sentences they’re probably not worth conveying. In other words, tl;dr.

    @ellablun Oh yeah, why have spirituality and philosophy when we can have superstition, right?

    #428709

    Anonymous

    @aaaaa you either don’t know what superstition is, or you’ve, once again, misunderstood what I wrote. But feel free to blame it on my lacking english ability.

    #434942

    Anonymous

    @SlavicXCelticXNordic, the reason that you have not been exposed much to your Slavic heritage is simply that America, historically, has had more of a bond with Western Europe than Eastern Europe. Also, due to communism and socialism, much of Slavic culture (religion) was suppressed to varying degrees in Slavic nations, while Slavic culture was often taboo in America due to stigmas against communism and socialism in earlier decades. Enjoy the culture for what it is and don’t fight so much with principles of atheism versus pagan religion. It is nature personified, and the stories simply reflect what is already in us. On a side note, however, I would like to say, with respect to others’ opinions, I urge you to avoid putting much faith in these comments about who is or is not genetically Slavic. The Balkans, especially, is full of ridiculous propaganda where everyone is trying to assert their right to land and history while degrading the status of others. The truth is that no one truly knows the full extent of who mixed with exactly who and when and where. Serbs are certainly Slavic, genetically as well as culturally and there is no solid basis for any Irish Origin theory aside from the fact that Celts did once inhabit Slavic lands before Slavs arrived, so there was an overlap of culture, just as elsewhere. In England, you dig into farm lands and find German bombs that had been dropped, and then a feet feet below, you find medieval swords and horse remains, below that you find Roman relics, below that, you find Celtic artifacts. Shall we say that the English are actually Roman? No. Even still, you may be pleased to learn about Diple…ancient bagpipes from former Jugoslavia, something from ancient Celt / Slavic overlap. Please feel free to contact me with any other questions concerning your struggle to reclaim your heritage, as I was raised the same way; German father, Slavic mother, raised in America.

    #434960

    Anonymous

    I can identify with your experience to some extent. I am of almost 90% Slavic descent, Born to both Slavic parents in Bosnia ( I may have some maditerranean admixture in my meta ethnicity since I look more atlanto-med then slav or pontid), yet none of the Abrahamic and Judeo-christian teaching ever appealed to me and I was exposed to it from the age of 9-10 ( Bible, catholic cathehism, Talmud and some islamic books). I am not a believer in Slavic paganism either it’s just that I strongly identify as a Slav, and want to know more about what it means, and original pagan teachings do give a pretty good insight on what the society was and what those peoples believed in. Also paganisms are usually rooted in nature, which makes them in my opinion slightly less insane than most monotheisms of today, especially given the time they were practiced and leven of scientific knowledge available then. My “favorite” goddes is Morana, for many reasons.

    #435013

    Anonymous

    It’s ok, the god of the woman should be her husband and she should follow whatever he believes. They are not equipped to have spirituality of their own.

    #425738
    Boris V.
    Boris V.
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    @dedushka

    @GirlNamedShadow glad you finds yourself strongly Slavic.

    #362348

    Anonymous

    Hello from Australia could anyone help me discover a surname ? Family name is Pekolj Is it german or Slovenian?

    #348953

    Anonymous

    @peka mostly Slovenian, as i can see…

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