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    Anonymous

    I have seen many topics in Slavorum regarding different views on some political ideas and problems. My idea is to have a thread where we can describe in short lines what do we stand for in life, express our beliefs in future and present our solutions for different crisis all over the Slavic or European world. I made a list of some 5 questions for guidance so please answer, this can be a great way to learn more about each other.

    1. How would you describe yourself in terms of ideology?
    2. Who do you perceive as the main enemy or problem of the group you identify with or name several of them…?
    3. What would be the best solution of problems of your people?
    4. Do you connect your religious beliefs with your ideology?
    5. Are you ready to examine some of your attitudes when you come in contact with new facts?

    Have in mind that this is just for guidance, be free to expand your story.

    My answers:
    1. Well, like I wrote when I joined the community… I am primarily a panslavist although I do not believe in panslavism that ignores national boundaries or seeks unity over the backs of some Slavic peoples. Also, I am passionate patriot who wants to return his country to its roots.

    2. The main problem of Bosnians is a lack of knowledge and lack of interest in things that are crucial for national revival. besides that, there are many things that present a problem. Some of them are Serbian expansionism and claims of territories where they never have lived until the Ottomans, Neo-ottomanism  and remains of Turkish culture, capitalism etc.

    3. Solution…well…education and preparedness for national revolution.

    4. Particularly. Like I said, I would like to see return of Bosnia to its roots and Christianity is a big element of this. I perceive myself as a Christian in two ways- spiritual and as someone who embraces western christian civilization. So, that could be marked as a part of my ideological attitudes in some extent.

    5. Absolutely. I have done that several times in my life and it always helped me to become more mature. 

    #360444

    Anonymous

    Great thread Krstjanin!
    I can start but I don´t answer all your questions.
          As a western Slav (Slovak) I feel myself i little bit divided between West and its values and East (I mean slavic East) and  its values. I admire western chivalry but also admire eastern spontaneity.
          But from day to day, I am starting to prefer mostly eastern values because I suppose that West is totaly gone. We can see it at all that western stuff: gay rights, feminism, multiculturalism and so on. I m sick of it all.
          I like USA when they were in their 50´s and 60´s. They are wonderful because of their unity. 50 states – one language. Wisconsin never attaks Illinois, Montana never attaks Wyoming and so on. European union is piece of shit in compare with them : through 1000 miles you can see so many religions, so many languages, and so many historical conflicts. I can go 100 miles to the Hungary and the people there are speaking completely different language as we are.
          We can reach unity similar to the american, only if we will hold together. But the westerners care much more for their Pakis, Hindus, Algerians, Nigerians, Turks, Arabs and other than us. So the next way is hold together as a slavic nations without western Europe.
          My personal opinion is that we should receive some western values, not only beat ourselfs to the chest and screaming that everything what is ours is the best. Behind the huge success of United States is what they call "outflow of the brains". They can absorb clever people from all over the world, if they bring whatever useful. We can call it humanism, which is focused on human and his abillities, unlike communism for example which is only about a crowd and ruler.
         The best artist like Da Vinci, Michelangelo and others have been formed in where was a lot of money. Something similar goes only in the capitalism. And it is not only about artist. Take a look at space contest between USA and Soviet Union. Kennedy said that behind our success stands one man – Werner von Braun and when he asked Khrushchev who is behind your success? Khrushchev didn´t said Sergey Korolov, but he said that it belongs to the hard work of soviet people.
         So, what can people motivate something more to reach, not only to be one of the mass, is western humanism, and that must be the main ideology in the united slavic states. Dot!

    #360445

    Anonymous

    No, thank you for the very extensive and good post. This is what I had in mind. ;)

    #360447

    Anonymous

    1. How would you describe yourself in terms of ideology?

    I do not like ideologies, this word has evokes many bad connotations in me. The concept of ideology is just another modernism.

    I try to be independent, out of boxes. The best way to describe my worldview would be these terms:
    Conservatism – both secular and Christian, preservation
    Classical liberalism
    Individualism
    Humanism (do not confuse with post-modern pseudohumanism)
    Patriotism, local patriotism
    Rationalism
    Tolerance
    Realism
    Romantic nationalism (not those hooded bands marching in streets but rather Johann Gottfried Herder and Slovak romantic nationalism)
    Agnostic theism

    2. Who do you perceive as the main enemy or problem of the group you identify with or name several of them…?

    The blind preachers of "progress" and creation of a single grey mass. Erosion of freedom, onset of post-modern socialism, cultural marxism. Fanaticism, assimilationism and ethnic hatred.
    And, finally, to quote a Czech conservative, Roman Joch:

    "Lituji všech škod, jež na nás socialismus napáchal; mnohem více však lituji těch škod, jež jsme si na nás napáchali my sami tím, že jsme socialismu vůbec umožnili dostat nás do svého područí."

    "I regret all damage that the socialism had committed on us; but much more I regret the damage that we did to ourselves by letting socialism to subdue us."

    3. What would be the best solution of problems of your people?

    In my opinion, people should have some examples, individuals like priests, writers, teachers or actors that show them a different worldview, how to regain some dignity, how to love their culture and be proud of it… how to value freedom and live good lives…
    When I was a small boy, I often went to church with my grandparents (my parents were agnostic or atheist) and although I was always bored and mostly looked icons, imagery etc, I actually liked priest's reading from the Bible (interesting stories) and the preaching. It taught me much. That Greek Catholic priest which once led masses in our village, and the bishop (or archbishop?) of Košice are such fine people. I do not know their names, though. But everybody loved (loves) them.
    Sadly… such people are only few.

    4. Do you connect your religious beliefs with your ideology?

    I have no actual religious beliefs and no ideology, but I support Christianity. Nowadays, the fight against Christianity is a fight against my (our) values and it is more of a political fight than a religious/secularist one.

    5. Are you ready to examine some of your attitudes when you come in contact with new facts?

    Yes, I am.

    #360448

    Anonymous

    …"the damage that we did to ourselves by letting socialism to subdue us."

    This is very nice and can be used for almost every negative thing in our society. ;)

    A National revolution must take place sooner or later.

    Amen ;)

    #360449

    Anonymous

    1. How would you describe yourself in terms of ideology?
    If it is of my ancestry, those interests come first. I am a fascist.

    2. Who do you perceive as the main enemy or problem of the group you identify with or name several of them…?
    Extinction on many levels.

    3. What would be the best solution of problems of your people?
    Major promotion of native culture on all levels.

    4. Do you connect your religious beliefs with your ideology?
    Yes. Ancestry is better than universalism.

    5. Are you ready to examine some of your attitudes when you come in contact with new facts?
    Depends on many factors.

    #360450

    Anonymous

    1. How would you describe yourself in terms of ideology?

      [li]I guess I'm some sort of pan-slavist. I don't necessarily want all Slavic countries to merge into one, I just believe their should be some orgnanisation (economic?) that unites the Slavs and looks out for each other.[/li]

    2. Who do you perceive as the main enemy or problem of the group you identify with or name several of them…?

      [li]Ultra-nationalists, Slavs that hate certain Slavic countries, and isolationists.[/li]

    3. What would be the best solution of problems of your people?

      [li]I guess education, learn to not be so stubborn.[/li]

    4. Do you connect your religious beliefs with your ideology?

      [li]No.[/li]

    5. Are you ready to examine some of your attitudes when you come in contact with new facts?

      [li]Sure, as long as they're reasonable.[/li]
    #360452

    Anonymous

    Great thread, Krstjanin!

    Thank you for this and also for a detailed post.

    As far as Bosniaks go, well, what can one do?

    Bosniaks or precisely the Bosnian muslims have the same dilemmas as you when it comes to their positioning in the Slavdom, Europe and the world. This is because they have mostly islamic ( although only by name) identity as converts to Islam but as Bosniaks they historically have more elements attached to themselves. In 1993 it was the first time in history when the term Bosnian or Bosniak started to be used by law for the Bosnian muslims but they have done very little to get close to that name. For me, as a Slavic person and Bosnian, Bosnia and its ethnicity will never be synonym for Islam because identity related to this religion was built on the ruins of the only Slavic creation on the territory of Bosnia which is, of course, the medieval banate and then the kingdom.

    There is a historical choice in front of the Bosnian muslims (Bosniaks after 1993) and it is related to the quarrel between their islamic (with Turkish and Arabic elements attached) and Bosnian (Slavic and predominantly Christian) identification.

    Personally, Islam as only spiritual thing is not a big problem. If it is taken as only personal thing (which Islam in Bosnia should be as a religion installed by ottoman occupiers) then nobody has right to force anyone to believe in existence of the Holy Trinity for example or in Slavic pantheon of Gods. The problem is that Islam in Bosnia in 95% of cases is nothing, 'muslims' behave very un-islamic and you cannot find any difference between them and their christian neighbours (generally speaking) but the main problem is that still they perceive Ottoman Turko-arabic ethnic elements as their own tradition and culture. In order for these things to be fixed, they have to renounce turkish, arabic and persian names, get rid of turkish and arab words in everyday speech, pray to God in their own language, adjust the sense of belonging, renounce everything that relates them to Ottomans, forgive this awful turkish national costumes and music…all of this is part of the Slavic rebirth that should take place inside of heads of these people.

    NOW, Christian Slavic neighbours also should make some changes in their own way of thinking. Since all of the things mentioned are surely a weakness of Bosnian muslims (compared to Slavic world) I dont see why a good Slav would want to take advantage of this. Brothers and sisters do not try to kill their siblings because of their weaknesses, they try to help. Bosnian muslims will not achieve the revolution in their identity as long as greater Serbian and Croatian chauvinists try to destroy Bosnia. In fact, Islamic community in Bosnia does everything possible to get Bosnian muslims to forget all of their Slavo-Bosnian traits  and it is using a greater Serbia ideology to achieve this goal. The chief imam of Bosnia once even said that Radovan karadzic did a lot for the awakening of islam in Bosnia…

    As Konzervativac as, Bosnian Islam is unique to Bosnia and ties in with many general European cultural traits and cannot be compared to what one finds in Arab lands, so I guess, let them have it.

    Its the truth, Bosnian muslims are in no way even similar to Asians and Africans but the fact that they share the same religion with those people and cherish their ethnic characteristics makes them far away from their true ethnic heritage.

    #360453

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Thank you for this and also for a detailed post.

    Bosniaks or precisely the Bosnian muslims have the same dilemmas as you when it comes to their positioning in the Slavdom, Europe and the world. This is because they have mostly islamic ( although only by name) identity as converts to Islam but as Bosniaks they historically have more elements attached to themselves. In 1993 it was the first time in history when the term Bosnian or Bosniak started to be used by law for the Bosnian muslims but they have done very little to get close to that name. For me, as a Slavic person and Bosnian, Bosnia and its ethnicity will never be synonym for Islam because identity related to this religion was built on the ruins of the only Slavic creation on the territory of Bosnia which is, of course, the medieval banate and then the kingdom.

    There is a historical choice in front of the Bosnian muslims (Bosniaks after 1993) and it is related to the quarrel between their islamic (with Turkish and Arabic elements attached) and Bosnian (Slavic and predominantly Christian) identification.

    Personally, Islam as only spiritual thing is not a big problem. If it is taken as only personal thing (which Islam in Bosnia should be as a religion installed by ottoman occupiers) then nobody has right to force anyone to believe in existence of the Holy Trinity for example or in Slavic pantheon of Gods. The problem is that Islam in Bosnia in 95% of cases is nothing, 'muslims' behave very un-islamic and you cannot find any difference between them and their christian neighbours (generally speaking) but the main problem is that still they perceive Ottoman Turko-arabic ethnic elements as their own tradition and culture. In order for these things to be fixed, they have to renounce turkish, arabic and persian names, get rid of turkish and arab words in everyday speech, pray to God in their own language, adjust the sense of belonging, renounce everything that relates them to Ottomans, forgive this awful turkish national costumes and music…all of this is part of the Slavic rebirth that should take place inside of heads of these people.

    NOW, Christian Slavic neighbours also should make some changes in their own way of thinking. Since all of the things mentioned are surely a weakness of Bosnian muslims (compared to Slavic world) I dont see why a good Slav would want to take advantage of this. Brothers and sisters do not try to kill their siblings because of their weaknesses, they try to help. Bosnian muslims will not achieve the revolution in their identity as long as greater Serbian and Croatian chauvinists try to destroy Bosnia. In fact, Islamic community in Bosnia does everything possible to get Bosnian muslims to forget all of their Slavo-Bosnian traits  and it is using a greater Serbia ideology to achieve this goal. The chief imam of Bosnia once even said that Radovan karadzic did a lot for the awakening of islam in Bosnia…

    Its the truth, Bosnian muslims are in no way even similar to Asians and Africans but the fact that they share the same religion with those people and cherish their ethnic characteristics makes them far away from their true ethnic heritage.

    Hoćeš mi konačno odgovoriti na pitanje?

    #360454

    Anonymous
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    6. Return of capital punishment (for murderers, rapists, paedophiles, drug dealing, organized crime and for acting against the state of Poland) as well as large penalties for any immoral acts such as corruption.

    Would you let kill a man who murdered the rapist of his wife or even the woman if she murdered him herself (in both cases planned revenge)?

    #360455

    Anonymous

    1. How would you describe yourself in terms of ideology?
    Conservative.

    2. Who do you perceive as the main enemy or problem of the group you identify with or name several of them…?
    Serbs from Bosnia.

    3. What would be the best solution of problems of your people?
    Multiplicate to outnumber the other communities and make them minorities.
    Assertion of our national identity without giving credit to those minorities.
    National education.

    4. Do you connect your religious beliefs with your ideology?
    Yes I do.

    5. Are you ready to examine some of your attitudes when you come in contact with new facts?
    Why not.

    I'm for death sentence for drug smuggling, corrupted officials, rapes,
    pedophilia, serial killers.
    I'm against unjustified abortions.
    I have no problem with immigrants as long they fit into the society, but
    blacks and Middle Eastern shouldn't be allowed to have citizenship nor voting.
    No wedding nor adoption for gay people, but they can do whatever they want in their bed…
    I believe that feminism, multiculturalism, individualism, tolerance lead to a srewed up society.
    I'm against animal cruelty, excessive sexualization, capitalism, any fanatic, zionists.
    Free masonry and other conspirators movement should be disbanded, and
    exterminated if they keep on spreading their imorality.

    #360456

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Would you let kill a man who murdered the rapist of his wife or even the woman if she murdered him herself (in both cases planned revenge)?

    No. There would be order and not anarchy. Killing in self-defence, indeed understandable, but with vendettas and revenge against someone who has not been proved guilty by court leaves big possibility of loopholes in this law. Innocent until proven guilty, but when proven guilty for such crime, death.

    #360457

    Anonymous

    I believe if someone is making problems on your property you should have all rights to kick his ass. And if those pussies come back with a knive you must run like hell.

    #360458

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    No. There would be order and not anarchy. Killing in self-defence, indeed understandable, but with vendettas and revenge against someone who has not been proved guilty by court leaves big possibility of loopholes in this law. Innocent until proven guilty, but when proven guilty for such crime, death.

    Honestly, if I was a victim of rape, I really wouldn't like to let someone else punish him for destroying my life. What do you think about such an option: After he was proven guilty, the victim has the option to stab the person to death (without shredding him or something like that). Stabbing is one of the most personal ways of taking someones life, and if the victim does not want, the rapist can be killed by the court like intended first. I have the opinion that in terms of such personal crimes victims (or their fathers/brothers/husbands) should get the chance to revenge, and if the criminal was proven guilty, tis shouldn't be such a problem. What's your opinion?

    #360459

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Honestly, if I was a victim of rape, I really wouldn't like to let someone else punish him for destroying my life. What do you think about such an option: After he was proven guilty, the victim has the option to stab the person to death (without shredding him or something like that). Stabbing is one of the most personal ways of taking someones life, and if the victim does not want, the rapist can be killed by the court like intended first. I have the opinion that in terms of such personal crimes victims (or their fathers/brothers/husbands) should get the chance to revenge, and if the criminal was proven guilty, tis shouldn't be such a problem. What's your opinion?

    wrong wrong wrong wrong. Totally wrong.
    1. One is not punished for destroying another's life, but for breaching laws. Laws ensure stability, not happiness.
    2. Punishment is NOT revenge. The aim of punishment is to deter from breaching the law and to enforce it. Not to satisfy somebody's personal needs for vengeance.
    3. Killed by court? WTF? Court only decides in the case. It is force of the state that enforces law and punishes.
    4. Why do you think things like revenge are outlawed? It is precisely to ensure stability and peace in a society.

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