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- July 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm #347088
AnonymousInteresting facts about the Ukrainian language you may want to know
Ukraine – There is a huge dispute over the language spoken in Ukraine. Half of the nation speaks Russian and the other half speaks Ukrainian. This is the result of the communist influence during the times of the USSR and long years of Ukrainian discrimination in the early years.July 23, 2016 at 2:45 pm #411159
I love Slavic languages, Ukrainian is quite beautiful.July 23, 2016 at 4:47 pm #411160July 23, 2016 at 5:28 pm #411161
I am pretty much sure there are more Polish language speakers than Ukrainian.July 23, 2016 at 6:23 pm #411153
@GaiusCoriolanus i think it’s pretty uncertain actually.
If you count by countries population then Ukraine is:
- Ukraine population: 42,539,010
- Poland population: 38,483,957
If you count emigration in and other stuff then i don’t know, maybe it is Polish but those stats are questionable.July 23, 2016 at 6:59 pm #411146
@Perun I take into account that some part of Ukrainian population speaks Russian instead of Ukrainian.
I have checked: Polish – 42.7 mln; Ukrainian – 39.5 mln.July 23, 2016 at 8:50 pm #411144
Ukrainians can hear the difference between ‘g’ and ‘h’. Both sounds exist and easily recognisable. For example in ‘hlib’ (bread) and ‘gora’ (mountain) transcripted as ‘hora’ in Latin alphabet. Ukrainian ‘g’ is voiced glottal fricative that exists in other Slavic languages and non-Slavic languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_glottal_fricative
Ukrainian is not second most spoken Slavic language. As already pointed half of Ukraine speaks Russian. Many Ukrainians speak ‘surzhyk’ which is a mixture of Ukrainian and Russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk
Ukrainian being voted most melodic language after Italian in Paris is a myth. Similar myths exist about Belarusian and Estonian languages being voted second most melodic languages after French in Paris.
Expression similar to ‘ta ni’ exists in colloquial Australian English ‘Yeah no ‘ https://minerva-access.unimelb.edu.au/handle/11343/39316
Probably in other English languages.
In the Ukraine would mean in some region. In Ukraine means in the country. It became a subject of a discussion in independent Ukraine. Similarly, Ukrainians don’t like when Russians and Poles say ‘na Ukraine’ (some region) rather than ‘v Ukraine’.July 25, 2016 at 11:13 am #403006
There is a difference between language that is spoken by people and language that is native to people. It doesn’t matter what language people speak at home in Ukraine, they still know Ukrainian.
Ukrainians can hear the difference, there is no doubt. But it is not a problem for a Ukrainian person to say “kohda” instead of “kogda” (“when” in Russian) which sounds horrible to the Russian people.July 25, 2016 at 12:11 pm #402991
Not all Ukrainians are fluent in spoken Ukrainian. People in eastern Ukraine can understand, read and possibly write in Ukrainian. Just because they were exposed to Ukrainian language and know Russian language which is a similar Ukrainian language. But they are not fluent in spoken Ukrainian. For example, I am a Belarusian; I can read and write in Ukrainian. You can test me. But I cannot speak it well because I don’t speak it everyday. That’s the situation with half of Ukrainians. So Ukrainian is 2nd most ‘spoken‘ Slavic language is not an accurate descrption of a linguistic situation in Ukraine.
In many Russian dialects ‘voiced glottal fricative’ exists. Such as dialects of southern Russia or western Russia. Russians are no strangers to this sound. But yes, they don’t like the sound of it.August 7, 2016 at 8:39 am #405289
Interesting, well-written text, but, differently from what you state, it is simply incorrect in German to use “Ukraine” without the definite article. A solution would be to rename the country into “Ukrainien”: “Ich fahre nach Ukrainien” – “I travel to Ukraine” (as, for example, with “Tschechien” for Czech Republic: “Ich fahre nach Tschechien” – “I travel to Czech Republic”). But my suggestion would be to leave things simply as they are. In my opinion a nice country with nice people – as Ukraine definitely is – does not need such kind of political correctness battles in language to prove its self-confidence;)August 8, 2016 at 12:57 am #405298
AnonymousWell you are right that Ukrainian is one of the most melodic languages (#2 behind Italian) and that it ranked #3 behind French and Persian in terms of “beauty” (though this was in the eye of the beholder, which was France!), but let’s call that a judgement call.You are absolutely wrong about the letters “G” and “H” … Ukrainian has both letters and Ukrainians can tell the difference. Russian has a single letter, which looks like the Ukrainian “H” and is pronounced like the Ukrainian “G” … which is why during the Soviet Socialist occupation of Ukraine, when the Ukrainian language was Russified (when not banned outright), the Soviets deleted out the Ukrainian letter “G” in a Harrison-Bergeron sort of fashion. The letter “G” was officially reintroduced in 1989, the year the Berlin Wall fell and the Commie control over Ukraine began unraveling. In the Ukrainian Diaspora, both letters were always in play. In Ukraine, those who learned Ukrainian during the Soviet days have had to learn or re-learn this letter. For some, it has been difficult to train the ear.
But this statement is factually incorrect about the Ukrainian language. The statement, however, does apply to the Russian language — which to a Ukrainian ear, is neither as melodic nor as beautiful as Ukrainian. In fact, to many patriotic Ukrainians, Russian sounds like a cross between fingernails across a chalkboard and a litter of cats being introduced into a meat grinder, but again that is a judgement call.August 8, 2016 at 1:49 am #405299
Ukrainian being 2nd most melodic is an urban legend. Just like Belarusian or Estonian being 2nd most melodic after Italian. If you have any references to official sources, then I’d like to see them.August 31, 2016 at 12:53 am #388291
“Ta ni” is not “Yes no”. It is “But no”. Yes no” would be “Tak ni’.
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