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  • #343185

    Anonymous

    What is here oppinion about Iranians precisely Persian people.are they Indo-european people and are they somehow connected to us Slavs ?

    #381147

    Anonymous

    they are partially Indo-Iranians, but in the modern days there is lot of non-white admixture in  their blood

    #381148

    Anonymous

    They are of Indo-european stock. I am going to piss off some of you people but i consider them our brothers.

    #381149

    Anonymous
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    They are of Indo-european stock. I am going to piss off some of you people but i consider them our brothers.

    Me, too. Persians are Aryans and related to us Slavs.

    #381150

    Anonymous
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    They are of Indo-european stock. I am going to piss off some of you people but i consider them our brothers.

    Slavs are brothers all others are neighbours.

    #381151

    Anonymous

    Persians ,they haved Largest empire in world and first Charter of Human Rights

    #381152

    Anonymous

    The first Persians were pure Aryans, respectively, the relatives of the Slavs.
    Present day muslim Iranians have little in common with the Persians, after thousands years of different black migrations, original white people were almost assimilated. Today we can find few light eyed people among them, even some light haired children, but the majority are blacks or mixes with blacks, like girls from the Iranian beauty competition of 70s:

    [img width=700 height=535]http://www.iranian.com/Nostalgia/March98/Images/shayesteh.jpg” />

    #381153

    Anonymous

    Laughing at this thread,

    there's a whole bunch in my Metro (esp. In Northern Vancouver) and they're not considered European or White.  In fact, there's nothing remarkably different about Iranians from the Pakistani here.    A lot of nightclubs here won't allow Iranians in since they have a reputation for causing fights.  And as Sibiriyak pointed, a lot of them are 'black' or 'mixed'. 

    Maybe in America they're seen as white but American application of white doesn't hold much salt in Australia, Canada or Europe.

    It's a vague connection at the best.  The Slav's Iranic speaking ancestors (Scythians) never really lived in Iran proper, but to the North.

    This is forgotten / lost history but I'm pretty sure the split between Persia and Scythia occured because of religious changes and the religion change was likely a racial one to a large extent (and then another racial change occured when Islam spread to Persia).

    #381154

    Anonymous

    I think that the Iranians can't be considered to be close to Slavs or any Europeans anymore.
    We can't be sure about their physical appearance in the past, but now they do not share much characteristics with the Europeans. The picture provided by Sibiryak shows it all – only few of those girls could pass for European.
    They differ to much even linguistically – since they adopted Islam, they adopted thousands of Arabic words and phrases with it.
    Their once Indo-European language and culture is now way to overwhelmed with Semitic and other Eastern influences to be considered "brotherly".
    Still, their connection to us is, I believe, undisputed.

    #381155

    Anonymous
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    Slavs are brothers all others are neighbours.

    This. And Iranians aren't even our neigbours. They are a completely foreign element to Slavs.

    #381157

    Anonymous

    I also agree with the most of previous users, that since 2000 BC we have lost any contacts with aryan tribes, who came to the territory of modern Iran and some Middle Asian countries. They weren't our neigbours anymore, among the notable contacts with the Slavs I would like to mention the military raids of Cossacks (if you're trying to unite them with Slavs) against Iran and various wars between Russian Empire and the Iranian shahs. I don't see anything friendly in those events, maybe the absence of common borders was even good, because the behavior of iranians wouldn't much differ from Ottomans or Arabs.  Also if we would continue the logic of the previous member, then Turks could be considered as the best friends of Slavs, see here.

    It is doubtful if we could speak about any Persians in the present day Iran, as it was correctly said there're a lot of azeris and pakistani, moreover, the majority of azeris is living in Iran, not in their own Azerbaijan. I've seen a lot of azeries in my country, that's why such stories from the USA and Europe don't wonder me. Population having racial type, a little close to the original Aryans are presented by few people in the isolated mountain communities only. With the same chance you can find such people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan, my hope no one here would call their nations "aryan" or "european".

    Of course, I support them against israel, but even their anti-zionism likely will not make them "aryan" :

    image

    #381158

    Anonymous
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    Persians ,they haved Largest empire in world and first Charter of Human Rights

    I've always thought so. The Kalash people, especially when very fair (normally pretty fair-skinned), are somewhat Slavic-looking. I can see a very close, common ancestral tribe. Maybe the closest Middle-Eastern cousin of the Slavs?

    #381159

    Anonymous

    Not really fair skined, sometimes you could see someone who resemble European, but not to offten:


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    I can see a very close, common ancestral tribe. Maybe the closest Middle-Eastern cousin of the Slavs?

    Iranians are definilty closer to Slavs than Indo-Aryans

    #381160

    Anonymous
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    Iranians are definilty closer to Slavs than Indo-Aryans

    Really? How would you explain that while among Indians we have the highest genes that cluster with Slavs and we both relate by Indo-European language, while with Iranians we share neither genes neither language?

    #381161

    Anonymous
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    Really? How would you explain that while among Indians we have the highest genes that cluster with Slavs and we both relate by Indo-European language, while with Iranians we share neither genes neither language?

    Slavic languages are part of Balto-Slavic subgroup of Indo-European languages, Iranian and Indo-Aryan of Indo-Iranian subgroup. I fail to se how we could have more similarities with Indo-Aryan lanuages, if we did not interact with them few thousand years, except with Gypsies.
    Concerning of genetics, we could conclude such things only if we have detailed genetic picture of entire Slavic and entire Indian population. (Which was not done yet as far as I know).
    So only cathegory of similarites left to us was cultural. Persian culture (both Islamic and pre-Islamic) is far more closer to us than Indian.

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