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    Anonymous
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    I'm not sure if this should go here, but I'm wondering about the origins of these villages/towns:


      [li]

    Mali Bošnjak[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Rača)[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Varvarin)[/li]
    [li]Mala Bosna[/li]
    [li]Bošnjace[/li]
    [li]Bošnjanović[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Paraćin)[/li]
    [li]Bošnjak (Petrovac)[/li]

    I find it funny how the Bošnja/Bosna toponym is more common outside of Bosnia and Herzegovina ;D

    It is normal, since people that migrate get their name from the region they migrated from, for example people from Croatia that came to Hungary were called Horvat (Croat), people from Rascia (medieval Serbia) that came to Hungary were called Racz (Rascian). If you migrate within the region, you will surely not be named by the same region you are inhabiting, since it isn't a useful designation.

    #383429

    Anonymous
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    It is normal, since people that migrate get their name from the region they migrated from, for example people from Croatia that came to Hungary were called Horvat (Croat), people from Rascia (medieval Serbia) that came to Hungary were called Racz (Rascian). If you migrate within the region, you will surely not be named by the same region you are inhabiting, since it isn't a useful designation.

    But there are Srb toponyms in Serbia, so logically there should be Bošnja toponym in Bosnia. There are towns in Bosnia called Bosanska Krupa, Bosanska Gradiška, etc so that doesn't really explain why there are Bošnja place names in Serbia and Croatia.

    #383430

    Anonymous
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    But there are Srb toponyms in Serbia, so logically there should be Bošnja toponym in Bosnia. There are towns in Bosnia called Bosanska Krupa, Bosanska Gradiška, etc so that doesn't really explain why there are Bošnja place names in Serbia and Croatia.

    The question really is: What is the origin of toponym Босна-Bosnia. If there is underlying meaning of the word, that would explain it. I never really gave it a thought. I'll look into it. If you find some answer please let us know. :)

    #383431

    Anonymous
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    The question really is: What is the origin of toponym Босна-Bosnia. If there is underlying meaning of the word, that would explain it. I never really gave it a thought. I'll look into it. If you find some answer please let us know. :)

    Country got name from river. Some tried to prove name is derived from Illyrian word for salt, but it holds not much logic (river named after slat). And that "Illyrian word" is shiptar. Well since connection between Illyrians and shiptars is highly doubtfull, I dont think that could be correct. Well it was customary for people to call their willages after regions they arrived from. You have Serbian-Macedonian nobles Šebići Horvati. (named after village in Macedonia)

    #383432

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    I'm not sure if this should go here, but I'm wondering about the origins of these villages/towns:


      [li]

    Mali Bošnjak[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Rača)[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Varvarin)[/li]
    [li]Mala Bosna[/li]
    [li]Bošnjace[/li]
    [li]Bošnjanović[/li]
    [li]Bošnjane (Paraćin)[/li]
    [li]Bošnjak (Petrovac)[/li]

    I find it funny how the Bošnja/Bosna toponym is more common outside of Bosnia and Herzegovina ;D

    Those villages were probably founded by Bosniaks which fled Bosnia (Tuzla region to be precise) during the plagues of late 16th century, they were probably expeled from Serbia along with the native Serb Muslims when Serbs got their autonomy/independence. While the holes left by the native Bosniaks from Tuzla region were filled with Hungarian with some Polack and German Muslim converts (who later were assimilated amongst Bosniaks) in the aftermath of Ottoman retreat.

    #383433

    Anonymous
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    Those villages were probably founded by Bosniaks which fled Bosnia (Tuzla region to be precise) during the plagues of late 16th century, they were probably expeled from Serbia along with the native Serb Muslims when Serbs got their autonomy/independence. While the holes left by the native Bosniaks from Tuzla region were filled with Hungarian with some Polack and German Muslim converts (who later were assimilated amongst Bosniaks) in the aftermath of Ottoman retreat.

    Ok, thanks. But why would someone name a place after their ethnicity?

    #383434

    Anonymous
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    Ok, thanks. But why would someone name a place after their ethnicity?

    Eh, Svevlad, not ethnicity, but by region. Ethnicity Bosniak developed sometime afterwards, I believe you alone posted texts about that particular ethnogenesis. Bosnjani, Bosniak etc, was at first regional designation (nobody cared what your lineage is, but where you come from), some hundred years after with the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia and Hercegovina, Austria granted those Slavs of muslim faith, till then called Serbo-Croat mohamedanians, that didn't identify with Serb nor Croat ethnicity, to identify with the regional term Bosniak supported by the policies of Benjámin Kállay an Austro-Hungarian minister to be raised to an ethnicity. This was then however not widely accepted among the Serbo-Croat mohamedanians (as I read). 1968 Socialist Federal Yugoslavia adopted the term Muslim by nationality for those people that didn't identify with the Serb nor Croat ethnicity, in the course of the civil war 1993, that Muslim by nationality was changed in the current term Bosniak describing people of Muslim faith living in Bosnia.

    #383435

    Anonymous
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    Ok, thanks. But why would someone name a place after their ethnicity?

    It is was not named after ethnicity, but by place of origin. Mala Bosna was inhabited by Šokci and Bunjevci who came from Bosna. Muslims mostly lived in cities during Ottoman rule. Even in Bosnia vaste majority of rural population was Christian.

    #383436

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    The question really is: What is the origin of toponym Босна-Bosnia. If there is underlying meaning of the word, that would explain it. I never really gave it a thought. I'll look into it. If you find some answer please let us know. :)

    As far as I know, it's of Illyrian origin; name of a river.

    #383437

    Anonymous
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    Ok, thanks. But why would someone name a place after their ethnicity?

    You have many examples like it Englishtown, New Jersey and many others like it around the globe.

    #383438

    Anonymous
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    You have many examples like it Englishtown, New Jersey and many others like it around the globe.

    I feel stupid now because this reminded me of a town near me that was named after the German inhabitants (Germantown) ;D

    #383439

    Anonymous

    I found this on the internet and wasn't sure if it was true:
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    Ime "Bosna"

    Iako je jasno da je država Bosna kao i njen narod Bošnjani slavenski konstrukt, samo ime „Bosna“ je diskutabilno. Da li ono potiče od Slavena ili je bilo poznato još starosjediocima nije jasno no kako je ovo tekst o Slavenima vrijedi predstaviti teorije o slavenskom porijeklu našeg imena.

    Marko Vego kaže sljedeće: „ stari latinski izvori prije doseljavanja južnih Slavena na područje centralne Bosne nikada nisu spominjali ime Bosna za oznaku kraja,rijeke ili nekog mjesta iako je to ime bilo lako napisati i izgovoriti…“. Dalje veli: „ Iz pomenutih nekoliko izvora o pojavi imena Bosna u raznim oblicima proizlazi činjenica da se ime Bosna može stalno pratiti od Ukrajine preko Poljske i Ugarske do u Bosnu dok se nije ustalilo 885/86. godine.Zato nikako ne sumnjam da je neko pleme Bosna ili njegov plemenski vođa s imenom Bosna dao ime centralnoj pokrajini Bosni i rijeci Bosni.“.

    Muhamed Hadžijahić smatra da je na prostoru Velike Moravske postojalo pleme „Busana“ koje drži za pretke Bošnjaka. Oni su nakon pada tog kraljevstva kao i neka druga plemena krenuli na jug. Na podrucju oko Nitre s kojeg su krenuli, ostavili su trag u imenu sela Bosani, koje se spominje 1313 kao obveznik nitranske crkve.

    Uzmimo u obzir da je rijetka slavenska država u kojoj nema toponima Bosna a sve to upućuje da teorija Vege i Hadžijahića nije tako daleko od istine. Pa i delegacija Tvrtka II Kotromanića U Budimu veli poljskom kralju da su: "Bošnjakom isti pradjedovi bili kao i Poljakom".
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    It suggests that there was a Slavic tribe around Great Moravia called 'Busana' that are supposedly ancestors of Bosniaks. And that the toponym 'Bosna' comes from a tribe. And it says the name 'Bosna' can be found in Ukraine, Poland and Hungary. Most of it sounds like historical revisionism, but is there any truth to what the article says?

    #383441

    Anonymous

    wendes veneti wendish etc..= Slavs

    = Sorbs = Serbs?

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