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    Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv (Кий, Щек, Хорив) are the three legendary brothers, sometimes mentioned along with their sister Lybid (Либідь), who, according to the Primary Chronicle, were the founders of medieval Kiev city – now the capital of Ukraine. The legend is widely recognized as a source of Kiev's mythology and urban naming.
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    Archaeological excavations have shown there indeed was an ancient settlement from the 6th century. Some speculate that Kyi was a real person, a knyaz (prince) from the tribe of eastern Polans. But the majority of scholars consider them as purely mythological.

    The legend of Kyi, Shchek and Khoryv, and their sister Lybid, can be interpreted as an example of a common mythological process whereby geographical names are personified and incorporated into the foundation myths of a place or people, often as eponymous ancestors.

    There are numerous different theories concerning the origin of the names; among the most popular is that legend of three brothers and their sister is an attempt to explain the local names. Kyi appears to be derived from a Turkic word meaning "high river-bank", and denotes the hilly right (western) bank of the Dnieper River on which the earliest settlement was located. Shchek and Khoryv, according to this theory, represent the actual Shchekavytsia and Khorevytsia mountains in the center of Kiev, while Lybid is the actual river, a right tributary of the Dnieper and an important landscape factor in the city.

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    Anonymous

    There is already a thread on this topic.

    #393272

    Anonymous

    Beautiful legend, though it's still only legend, because even Nestor the author of Primary Chronicle wasn't sure about Kiev's foundation. As for me, the second hypothesis in Svevlad's post seem more reliable, it was developed by Russian historian George Vernadsky.

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    Beautiful legend, though it's still only legend, because even Nestor the author of Primary Chronicle wasn't sure about Kiev's foundation. As for me, the second hypothesis in Svevlad's post seem more reliable, it was developed by Russian historian George Vernadsky.

    Slavic settlements have existed in the area ever since, however there is no real consensus among scholars if any of them could be called a direct precursor of Kyiv as we know it today. Claims about Turkic influence in the founding of Kyiv are very debatable, the location of the city is in the heartland of the area inhabited by Eastern Slavs after all:

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    #393274

    Anonymous
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    Slavic settlements have existed in the area ever since, however there is no real consensus among scholars if any of them could be called a direct precursor of Kyiv as we know it today. Claims about Turkic influence in the founding of Kyiv are very debatable, the location of the city is in the heartland of the area inhabited by Eastern Slavs after all:

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    I don't want to argue, but as far as I know this map isn't totally correct. Debatable area of Eastern Ukraine of different tribes and migrations is marked as totally Slavic, the mixed Slavic-Finnish areas of Russia painted as pure Finnish.  We know only fragmentary information of that epoch, this's a good source for different theories and speculations.

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    Although I don't doubt that Slavic and their white ancestral settlements existed in the Kiev area long time before nomads.

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