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  • #461112

    NikeBG
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    @shaokang
    So, according to you, what was the opinion of the Balkan peoples for the Ottomans/Turks before 1848?

    #461113

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    @nikebg

    I don’t know. Its difficult to say what was opinion of the Balkan people on the Ottomans/Turks prior to lets say year 1700, because I think we don’t have the memory of it embedded in our national consciousness.

    #461118

    Miki Veliki Miki Ludi
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    @mikiveliki

    @shaokang

    It’s not that difficult. It was bad. Prime examples: Gorski Vijenac (Njegoš) , Smrt Smail-age Čengića (Mažuranić) were both written in 1846. By today’s standards Gorski Vijenac is a pretty extreme anti-islamic propaganda.

     

    #461119

    Miki Veliki Miki Ludi
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    @mikiveliki

    @nikebg

    Francis Fukuyama wrote favorably of Otomans’ janissaries system back in the 90s. For him it was an example of a society where you can rise up  if you are talented/skilled yet without social connections / inheritance. Society based on merit – that’s the correct phrase.

    #461120

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    @mikiveliki

    So both of the books were written in roughly the same period as revolutions of 1848, after Ottomans decline. However, in 17th century during Piccolomini’s siege of Skoplje you had Slavic population in Macedonia supporting Ottoman actions.

    #461123

    Miki Veliki Miki Ludi
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    @mikiveliki

    @shaokang

    Could be, but it’s hardly the rule. This is when “epska narodna poezija” was created, right (the Kraljević Marko Cycle)?  Wasn’t this the period (1600s, 1700s) when “Seobe” happened, when Serbs settled Lika, Kordun, Slavonia, Srem, etc. escaping from Turks?

    If you want more historical accuracy and specific material, I just recently read  research by somebody called Ivan Jovović about  Montenegro Litoral (and particularly Bar Archdiocese). When Otomans took Skadar in 1479 they kept raiding Bar region frequently. So Venice offered free land to Slavs from Dalmatia (maybe Bosnia) to go there and be the buffer, basically. They moved in the region, settled down, then Otomans took the Bar region for good in 1571. The following decades were really difficult. Both catholic (Slavic and Albanian) and orthodox priests were given difficult time. Plenty of people converted. Thousands went back west.  Reports read “Bar has the worse Turks”.  Particularly shitty years after an unsuccessful Venetian siege of Bar in 1631.

     

    #461130

    aaaaa
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    Why would a christian man want to rise in those butt-burglars’ pagan society, though?

    Especially the Janissaries, who were notorious sodomites.

    The right approach would be to burn it all down, with no survivors.

    #461122

    Miki Veliki Miki Ludi
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    @mikiveliki

    @shaokang

    Could be, but it’s hardly the rule. This is when “epska narodna poezija” was created, right (the Kraljević Marko Cycle)?  Wasn’t this the period (1600s, 1700s) when “Seobe” happened? When Serbs settled Lika, Kordun, Slavonia, Srem, etc. escaping from Turks?

    If you want more historical accuracy and specific material, I just recently read  research by somebody called Ivan Jovović about  Montenegro Litoral (and particularly Bar Archdiocese). When Otomans took Skadar in 1479 they kept raiding Bar region frequently. So Venice offered free land to Slavs from Dalmatia (maybe Bosnia) to go there and be the buffer, basically. They moved in the region, settled down, then Otomans took the Bar region for good in 1571. The following decades were really difficult. Both catholic (Slavic and Albanian) and orthodox priests were given difficult time. Plenty of people converted. Thousands went back west.  Reports read “Bar has the worse Turks”.  Particularly shitty years after an unsuccessful Venetian siege of Bar in 1631.

     

    #461124

    Miki Veliki Miki Ludi
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    @mikiveliki

    @shaokang

    If you want more historical accuracy and specific material, I just recently read  research by somebody called Ivan Jovović about  Montenegro Litoral (and particularly Bar Archdiocese). When Otomans took Skadar in 1479 they kept raiding Bar region frequently. So Venice offered free land to Slavs from Dalmatia (maybe Bosnia) to go there and be the buffer, basically. They moved in the region, settled down, then Otomans took the Bar region for good in 1571. The following decades were really difficult. Both catholic (Slavic and Albanian) and orthodox priests were given difficult time. Plenty of people converted. Thousands went back west.  Reports read “Bar has the worse Turks”.  Particularly shitty years after an unsuccessful Venetian siege of Bar in 1631.

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