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    We need to have more summits to discuss real history. Not one sided ancient Greek delusions of grandeur coming from former Bulgarian Macedonia.

    Nikola Poposki, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Macedonia, has sent an open letter to his Bulgarian counterpart, Nikolay Mladenov, inviting him for talks with the goal to improve bilateral relations.

    According to the Bulgarian Trud (Labor) daily, the most interesting part of the letter is the proposal to establish a joint expert committee with historians from both countries to debate historical issues and interpretation of facts.

    Mladenov, speaking in an interview for Darik radio, stressed he was convinced both countries could apply more effort to improve bilateral relations and their European vision, but this could happen only through mutual respect on sensitive issues.

    "I met Minister Poposki in New York; we had a long conversation, so we no longer need to chat. We need to see results now. Macedonia counts on Bulgaria's support for its joining of the EU. This support depends also on the report of the European Commission on Macedonia, which is due in a month and a half. It is crystal clear that it would be unlikely they will manage in this month and a half to take out from their school books stories like the one of Bulgaria having occupied Pirin Macedonia, separating it from its country and people," the Minister said.

    He noted this was an absurd on its own, but on top of it there must be other processes, developing in several directions, adding nevertheless the two countries have common ground such as joint infrastructure projects.

    "I am convinced that the future of Macedonia is in the EU, but problems between our two countries must be ironed out first," Mladenov concluded.

    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=144770

    Skopje, the Balkan Kitsch Capital

    SKOPJE, Macedonia –  Winston Churchill is flashing his trademark victory sign from the rooftop of Macedonia's shining white new foreign ministry building.

    Alexander the Great is pointing his mighty sword from the top of a mega water fountain that airs classical music on the hour, as sprinkling water dances to the sound of its tunes.

    Alexander's father, Philip II, is standing firmly on a tall marble pedestal, his fist lifted toward the sky, surrounded by drab communist-style apartment blocks and garbage littering the streets of Macedonia's capital.

    All those grandiose buildings, monuments, fountains and bridges — some completed, others under construction — are dotting the city center as part of a government project called Skopje 2014, officially intended to rebuild a city that lost many of its landmarks in a 1963 earthquake.

    One of Europe's biggest urban endeavors has been criticized by many Macedonians who describe it as kitsch aimed at distracting the general public from the small Balkan country's problems — such as a devastated economy and unemployment that hovers around 30 percent.

    The project which started in 2008 generated controversy for the construction costs of some 20 new buildings and as many as 40 monuments — estimated to range between €80 million ($104 million) to €500 million ($650 million) depending on the government or unofficial figures.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2012/10/31/construction-bonanza-in-macedonian-capital-causes-controversy-kitsch-or-history/#ixzz2BFpMsmUh

    And a word from Bulgaria's president, Plenveliev

    Sofia. “The major tendency we witness in the Republic of Macedonia is the one-sided interpretation of the history in some strongly nationalistic spirit,” Bulgarian President Rosen Plevneliev said at the meeting with European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighbourhood Policy Stefan Fule, FOCUS News Agency reporter informs.

    “We openly share the existing problems with our European partners. We believe that our arguments will be comprehended correctly, both by the EU and Macedonia, because they are based on facts and evidence,” Plevneliev remarked.

    “Authorities in Skopje can unlock the EU membership perspective not through propaganda and marketing campaigns but thanks to real reforms and acts of good neighbourly behaviour. We cannot give EU certificate to the actions of government in Skopje, which is constantly using and applying the ideology of hatred towards Bulgaria,” the Bulgarian president said further.

    “We do not reject the European perspective of Macedonia, we help and support the country, but it is not ready yet,” Rosen Plevneliev remarked.

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    Anonymous

    Yugoslavs need one (or many) of these :D

    #401919

    Anonymous

    My view is Macedonia-Bulgaria federation is the best solution. What is controlled autonomously of Macedonia is too weak to survive and the most productive parts of Macedonia are still under Greek occupation. So Macedonia-Bulgaria federation is the best solution with bilateral agreements with Serbia and Montenegro across the board, some kind of strategic partnership with secular Turkey(esp in oil, gas, defence etc) with possible Russian cash umbrella. That way a safe zone can be created for the Republic.

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    My view is Macedonia-Bulgaria federation is the best solution. What is controlled autonomously of Macedonia is too weak to survive and the most productive parts of Macedonia are still under Greek occupation. So Macedonia-Bulgaria federation is the best solution with bilateral agreements with Serbia and Montenegro across the board, some kind of strategic partnership with secular Turkey(esp in oil, gas, defence etc) with possible Russian cash umbrella. That way a safe zone can be created for the Republic.

    So long as Bulgaria recognizes the Macedonian language, this could work. I would not like to see Macedonians denied their language, as happened during Serbian rule from 1918-1941. It would have to be a federation in a real sense, with two official languages and two constituent peoples.

    #401921

    Anonymous

    And Greece has to recognize the entire cultural and linguistic history of the regions with appropriate policies or they will not do very well in the EU and with surrounding countries(they are already not doing very well there in the EU).

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    And Greece has to recognize the entire cultural and linguistic history of the regions with appropriate policies or they will not do very well in the EU and with surrounding countries(they are already not doing very well there in the EU).

    They already have. It's called Bulgarian. :)

    #401923

    Anonymous

    No its not Bulgarian. If I say Lafis, Lafis do you know what this means I dont think so."Modern Bulgarian" is not an ethnicity its a political and scholarly apparatuses. Yes the original Bulgarians were an ethnic group once but they were turkic elites. Maybe the most East Macedonian-Thracians are closer to Bulgaria but in our region we have nothing to do with Bulgaria other then the Exarchate infusions. I made the arguement once that the "Macedonian Slavs" are probably not all the same people which would account for all the dialects, idioms, and other things. We are Balkan. Unfortunately we dont really know the most primitive forms of our idioms, dialects and how they developed exactly. Anyways what dialect/idiom of Macedonian "Slavonic" do you speak? or just Bulgarian?

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    No its not Bulgarian. If I say Lafis, Lafis do you know what this means I dont think so."Modern Bulgarian" is not an ethnicity its a political and scholarly apparatuses. Yes the original Bulgarians were an ethnic group once but they were turkic elites. Maybe the most East Macedonian-Thracians are closer to Bulgaria but in our region we have nothing to do with Bulgaria other then the Exarchate infusions.

    If you really have nothing to do with Bulgarians then why do you keep claiming Bulgarian history and leaders as your own? Tsar Samuil, Gotse Delchev, Dame Gruev, etc etc.

    #401925

    Anonymous

    You will never get real history from people formulating policies for moder states and goverments with standardised languages, state, business and cultural elites.

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    You will never get real history from people formulating policies for moder states and goverments with standardised languages, state, business and cultural elites.

    You mean we'll never get real history from alternative historians like you.  ::)

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