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  • #341409
    Boris V.
    Boris V.
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    @dedushka

    As of 2018, capital punishment (the death penalty) has been abolished in all European countries, except Belarus and Russia. Russia, however, put a mor
    [See the full post at: Map Showing When Was The Last Execution In Your Slavic Country]

    #341418

    Dušan
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    @dusan

    there were several petitions for bringing back the death penalty for child molesters and murderers here in Serbia. Last year there was an extensive campaign for establishing life sentences for the same crimes. Right now maximal punishment in Serbia is 40 years.

    #341485

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    Serbia has low crime rate so I can’t see the need of death penalty. Furthermore death penalty for child abuse is absurd. Child abusers should be sterilized and their children taken to foster families.

    #341487

    Dušan
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    @dusan

    @shaokang not child abusers, but child molesters and child killers. It was back when all that with Tijana Jurić happened.
    I’m against death penalty, that way criminal doesn’t suffer at all. I am for life in prison or coal mine…

    #341495

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    @dusan I am not against death penalty if there is reason to include it. In a societies where ethical norms are low this is mandatory. I don’t think its our case.

    #360910

    Olga Kysil
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    @olga_kysil

    My great-uncle Gregory was shot in Siberia. I’m really glad this practice was stopped.

    #402708

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    @Olga_Kysil Do you know under what accusation?

    #449596

    Olga Kysil
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    @olga_kysil

    @Shaokang I’m not exactly sure the exact reasons for his execution. He was deported to Siberia shortly after WW2. I’ve been told that in Siberia, he was taken in the early morning for the execution. They said to Gregory: “Where is your God now?” Something like that. Then, he was taken to be shot. He was devout Christian.

    I need to investigate more on what exactly happened in Siberia. I do know there was a big deportation of Western Ukrainians after WW2 to Siberia.

    http://24-my.info/today-is-the-70th-anniversary-of-the-deportation-of-the-population-of-western-ukraine-to-siberia/

    After completion of the Soviet-German war, the activities of the Ukrainian insurgent army was directed against the Soviet power structures. Concerned about the difficult situation in Western Ukraine, the political leadership of the USSR is constantly looking for new ways to neutralise the insurgency, writes “UKRINFORM“.

    That deportation has become a powerful and effective tool to crack down on “dissent” of the Ukrainians. In 1944-1946 from Western Ukraine to distant areas of the USSR were deported 14 728 families of the members of the national liberation movement.

    However, I’ve never heard of any of my family being involved with “Bandera” or “Ukrainian Nationalist” organizations. I believe Gregory and his family were deported because he owned a farm. He was a landowner.

    This is a photo of him taken in the 1930s, I believe. This is one of two known photos of him.
    My uncle who was shot in Siberia

    #456556

    Srdceleva
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    @srdceleva

    @olga_kysil
    Really interesting about your Uncle. Many Christians suffered under communism and the soviets. I think I will start a thread later about it. My own Father had to suffer for his faith. There are many tragic but beautiful stories coming from this time period.

    #456561

    NikeBG
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    @nikebg

    Religious persecution is certainly possible (we had it here as well under the commies), but not necessary – many people from Ukraine seem to have been deported just because. That’s why that Crimean Tatar girl won Eurovision a few years ago. Many of our Bessarabian Bulgarians were also deported to Siberia without any serious reason.

    As for the death penalty, I’m generally in favour. The alternative, IMO, is forced labour. Otherwise we reach the Scandinavian situation where the prisons turn into hotels, where the honest taxpayers’ money go for feeding the criminals, some of which continue committing crimes from behind bars (our telephone crooks, f.e.) and/or enjoy a relative level of luxury there (I remember the first time I saw a Swedish or Norwegian prison on TV, I thought “Eh, why would any criminal want to avoid that? Heck, poor people might even commit crimes just to get in there!”). Of course, these harshest verdicts should come only for the harshest crimes and should be executed only after a certain waiting period (to avoid false convictions and political persecution).

    #456563

    Dušan
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    @dusan

    @NikeBG Scandinavian model is made for social rehabilitation. Making valuable members of society from criminals and I’m all for it when it comes to some crimes, theft, robbery, organized crime (low positions) etc. But when it comes to sick bastards, life time of forced labour is the way to go. Death penalty saves the scum from having to live with it. Of course for believers death penalty sends them to hell, but they’ll go to hell after 50 years of suffering too.

    #456565

    Shaokang
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    @shaokang

    @Dusan Scandinavian model sends wrong message to the law abiding citizens. Furthermore, you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to change and most criminals won’t change because they are genetical garbage. Only reason such people exist is due to runaway selection, which is mostly present among less developed civilizations, and that can be seen as the ratio of native Scandinavians accused for crimes vs the newcomers 🙂

    #456567

    NikeBG
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    @nikebg

    @Dusan I largely agree, although I don’t see how exactly they’re suffering while living off the back of society. Of course, I’ve never been in prison and it probably also very much depends on the conditions and practices there (f.e. how often is solitary confinement practiced, which does indeed seem to cause serious mental anguish in normal/sane people).
    As for the pettier crimes, not to mention the formal ones, I think prisons are not only not working, but are counterproductive, even the “hotel” ones. In such cases I think social measures and psychological guidance would be much more effective (plus, of course, lightweight forced labour, aka communal service). Because right now our prisons (or at least in my country) tend to serve as “schools” for criminals where they exchange the secrets of their “trades” and they come out not only with even fewer chances of getting a normal job, but also with the skills and the contacts for further progress in their criminal “career”. Even if they got in for a small offense like possessing a bit of pot.

    #456574

    aaaaa
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    @aaaaa

    Punishment should not be about rehabilitation. It should be about justice. If the criminal can be rehabilitated, then fine. But it should never be the goal. Furthermore, long term prison sentences are definitely cruel and unusual. I would much prefer fines and corporal punishment for minor crimes and the death penalty for serious crimes. A prison sentence is much more likely to destroy a man’s life than a good whipping. Also depriving someone from his freedom for life is less merciful than putting him out of his misery in seconds.

    #456596

    Dušan
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    @dusan

    depriving someone from his freedom for life is less merciful than putting him out of his misery in seconds

    isn’t that the point? This is the first time that I thought how Christian of him after reading your comment.

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