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    Anonymous

    Which philosophy do you believe in for viewing our world?
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism
    or
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
    or any other view you have.

    #405535

    Anonymous

    What why no posts ???

    #405536

    Anonymous

    Idealism is superior. Even though Marxists say their ideology is not based on idealism but instead on materialism you will see that most communists are idealistic in some way even if they will not admit it.

    #405537

    Anonymous
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    Idealism is superior.

    How is Idealism superior when there is no evidence to prove that the world is mentally constructed.

    #405538

    Anonymous

    It's a false dichotomy.
    an idea is information is order is energy is matter

    #405539

    Anonymous
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    It's a false dichotomy.
    an idea is information is order is energy is matter

    is love.

    #405540

    Anonymous
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    an idea is information is order is energy is matter

    An idea is NOT energy or matter.
    An idea is any concept existing in the mind as a result of mental understanding.

    #405541

    Anonymous
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    An idea is NOT energy or matter.
    An idea is any concept existing in the mind as a result of mental understanding.

    An "idea" is information. Your brain does work W to formulate an idea by shifting electro-chemical charges around. This means a thought has its associated energy stored in a particular pattern in your brain.

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    Anonymous
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    An "idea" is information. Your brain does work W to formulate an idea by shifting electro-chemical charges around. This means a thought has its associated energy stored in a particular pattern in your brain.

    Yes thats true but it only happens inside your brain.
    That still does not prove Idealism.

    #405543

    Anonymous
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    Yes thats true but it only happens inside your brain.

    No it isn't. It's the nature of all information, no matter whether it's printed on paper or stored as charges in computer memory.

    That still does not prove Idealism.

    I'd like to see you come up with an experiment that would either prove or falsify idealism.

    Although, honestly, if you're so interested in such topics how about you read some books on the
    subject first?

    http://www.gutenberg.org/

    #405544

    Anonymous
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    No it isn't. It's the nature of all information, no matter whether it's printed on paper or stored as charges in computer memory.

    Not all information comes from ideas. Some comes from observation and science. That doesn't make the world mentally created.

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    I'd like to see you come up with an experiment that would either prove or falsify idealism.

    "What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
    -Christopher Hitchens

    #405545

    Anonymous
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    Not all information comes from ideas. Some comes from observation and science. That doesn't make the world mentally created.

    You're not even following me. I was explaining the nature of information.

    "What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
    -Christopher Hitchens

    Cool. Go ahead and provide evidence for materialism.

    #405546

    Anonymous
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    Cool. Go ahead and provide evidence for materialism.

    Everything that's currently known to exist is evidence of materialism. Everything in our universe is made from atoms and atoms are matter. And our heat and gravtity comes from energy that is also proof of materialism. Everything in our universe is made from matter or energy or both.

    Second where is the evidence for Idealism and souls and spirits.

    #405547

    Anonymous
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    Everything that's currently known to exist is evidence of materialism.

    Everything you know is a concept formed by your own brain. It is therefore limited by your brain's ability to accurately reflect reality. Moreover your brain is able to construct "realities" on the fly, for example when dreaming or under the influence of specific drugs, and the subject has no way of telling the real one from the hallucination. You can also look into people who've suffered brain damage from accidents – sometimes they lose certain abilities that the rest of us take for granted – like being able to recognize geometric shapes for example. In short, your (perception of the) world is all in your brain, and it will be only as complex as your brain allows it to. Stuff your brain can't process will not exists for you, even if someone were to hit you over the head with it.

    Everything in our universe is made from atoms and atoms are matter. And our heat and gravtity comes from energy that is also proof of materialism.

    Heat and gravity do not come from energy. Heat already is energy and gravity comes from mass. And that being a proof of materialism is a non-sequitur.

    Everything in our universe is made from matter or energy or both.

    A solipsist would say the universe is just a figment of your imagination :)

    Second where is the evidence for Idealism and souls and spirits.

    Read something about idealism first. It's obvious you have no idea what it is.

    #405548

    Anonymous
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    Everything you know is a concept formed by your own brain. It is therefore limited by your brain's ability to accurately reflect reality. Moreover your brain is able to construct "realities" on the fly, for example when dreaming or under the influence of specific drugs, and the subject has no way of telling the real one from the hallucination. You can also look into people who've suffered brain damage from accidents – sometimes they lose certain abilities that the rest of us take for granted – like being able to recognize geometric shapes for example. In short, your (perception of the) world is all in your brain, and it will be only as complex as your brain allows it to. Stuff your brain can't process will not exists for you, even if someone were to hit you over the head with it.

    Everything I know my senses interpret and send that information to my brain. The world is objective not subjective. Nothing is a concept of your brain. The world would still be here regardless if all the humans died or not. Drug hallucination is caused by chemicals affecting or altering your body and brain. Stuff my brain can not process doesn't mean it won't exist.

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    Heat and gravity do not come from energy. Heat already is energy and gravity comes from mass. And that being a proof of materialism is a non-sequitur.

    If gravity and heat comes from energy or mass then wouldn't that be materialism.

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    A solipsist would say the universe is just a figment of your imagination :)

    Read something about idealism first. It's obvious you have no idea what it is.

    A solipsist has no evidence to back that claim.
    I know what idealism is.

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