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    Anonymous

    Krum – Plovdiv

    [img width=599 height=700]http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/the-monument-to-khan-krum–plovdiv-cveta-dinkova.jpg”/>

    #396144

    Anonymous

    Asparukh

    Strelcha

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    Dobrich

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    #396145

    Anonymous

    Very good monuments of Asparuh and Krum  :) :) :)
    I have nothing against the creators of  Bulgaria on the Balkans

    #396146

    Anonymous

    The Bulgars were kickass guys IMO. I don't believe they opressed the Slavic population, obviously they were the only ones fit ruling the 7 Slavic tribes at the time;

    In this sense I could only detect a symmetry with eastern Slavs and the Varangian Rus'.

    #396147

    Anonymous
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    The Bulgars were kickass guys IMO. I don't believe they opressed the Slavic population, obviously they were the only ones fit ruling the 7 Slavic tribes at the time;

    In this sense I could only detect a symmetry with eastern Slavs and the Varangian Rus'.

    I hate the  bulgars tribe like on Volga . But  absolutly i am not against the Asparuh bulgars  because they create  the first  bulgarian state on the Balkans and Asparuh united  the Danube slavic tribes  and fight together against the byzantines  so Asparuh or Krum were not against the slavs  , instead they fight against other turkic tribes like khazars  and  even Leo III make a  friendly pact  with khan Tervel witch  he destroyed the arabs  during the siege of Constantinopol and save Europe from arab Invasion  717–718 . 
    Isn't the Rus population is created when the varangian assimilated with the eastern slavs?

    #396148

    Anonymous
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    Isn't the Rus population is created when the varangian assimilated with the eastern slavs?

    According to the Normanist theory they existed before, living either somewhere in the Baltic, Sweden (Gotland I presume) or Fennoscandia.

    #396149

    Anonymous
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    The Bulgars were kickass guys IMO. I don't believe they opressed the Slavic population,

    Initially it was like a confederation of tribes, with Slavs having their own rulers. Centralization occurred only later. It's assumed one of the reasons Boris I adopted Christianity was so he could finalize this process.

    In 818 the Slavic tribes of the Timočani, Abodrites, and Braničevci (who inhabited the lands along the middle Danube, former Avar domains) rebelled against the increasingly centralized Bulgarian suzerainty in the west and sought the support of the Frankish Emperor Louis the Pious. Between 824 and 826 Omurtag approached the Frankish court with an attempt to seek a diplomatic resolution of the problem. Failing to gain Frankish co-operation, Omurtag issued an ultimatum in 826 and in 827 sent a fleet along the Danube and the Drava, which restored Bulgarian control over portions of southeastern Pannonia. The Franks were defeated in several minor fights. After that short-term conflict the relations between the two countries improved and Omurtag replaced the local Slavic chiefs with his deputies. Similar events took place again in 829 with the same result. Those events were described in a memorial inscription for the zera-tarkhan Onegavon who drowned in the Tisza river. The Bulgarian victory was to a large extent because the Franks did not have claims for Bulgarian territories. Furthermore, there was a large buffer zone between the Danube and the Tisza which separated the two states. The problems in that case were the attempts of several Slavic tribes to gain more autonomy which was at variance to the Bulgarian policy of centralization and incorporation of the Slavs.

    obviously they were the only ones fit ruling the 7 Slavic tribes at the time;

    The 7 slavic tribes was a pre-existing tribal union, but they were not the only distinct tribes to make up early Bulgaria.

    In this sense I could only detect a symmetry with eastern Slavs and the Varangian Rus'.

    There's an even better parallel with Volga Bulgaria. The original population was mostly finno-ugric, and the Bulgars were again a minority, but again founded a state which bore their name.
    Also, the Franks had a similar role.

    #396150

    Anonymous

    MegaArgus01 and Kolovrat97, stick to the topic and discontinue posting material that is offensive to other Slavic nations.

    #396151

    Anonymous
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    MegaArgus01 and Kolovrat97, stick to the topic and discontinue posting material that is offensive to other Slavic nations.

    Why you delete the pictures of the Bulgar khans? They are not offensive to any Slavic nation and are pride of the present Bularians. 

    What is wrong if we see how Asparuh looked like?

    [img width=474 height=700]http://freak32.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/asparuh.jpg” />

    #396152

    Anonymous

    Tell me the author who painted this? You  ;D
    Here how bulgarians are represented by Byzantine chroniclers
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    [img width=700 height=291]http://history.rodenkrai.com/images/image/voina_vizantia.jpg” />
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    #396153

    Anonymous
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    [img height=280]http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Basilios_II.jpg” />
    He was not Bulgar :)

    #396154

    Anonymous
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    [img height=280]http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Basilios_II.jpg” />
    He was not Bulgar :)

    The top one is Krum. Not sure if it's the scene depicting him drinking wine from Nikephoros the Ist's skull. Pretty bad-ass :)
    I think bottom left if Peter Delyan leader of an uprising against Byzantine rule, bottom right is some byzantine emperor, maybe Basil the 2nd.

    As for the alleged Asparuh picture, it's from a pop-history book published in the 90s, and it was supposed to represent some other khan, originally, but might as well be Asparuh.

    #396155

    Anonymous
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    The top one is Krum. Not sure if it's the scene depicting him drinking wine from Nikephoros the Ist's skull. Pretty bad-ass :)
    I think bottom left if Peter Delyan leader of an uprising against Byzantine rule, bottom right is some byzantine emperor, maybe Basil the 2nd.

    I know who were others. And yes it is Basil II, I posted his message but code messed up. Could someone from Mods fixi it? :)

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