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    Anonymous

    [img width=820 height=657]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/S._Srbija.pdf/page1-1277px-S._Srbija.pdf.jpg” />

    red – settlers from Dinaric areas (Montenegro, Herzegovina, Bosnia…)
    dark red – "natives"
    green – settlers from Kosovo and Metohija
    yellow – settlers from Macedonia
    blue – settlers from areas of Timok and Braničevo
    grey – Vlachs
    orange – Torlaks
    circles – settlers from Vojvodina

    #434732

    Anonymous

    Wait, where are the Serbs?

    Čekaj, a đe su Srbi?

    #434733

    Anonymous
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    Wait, where are the Serbs?

    Čekaj, a đe su Srbi?

    In Montenegro. ;)

    #434734

    Anonymous
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    In Montenegro. ;)

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    #434735

    Anonymous

    Hillarious. Map must be based on surnames but surnames might not have to do a thing with actual origins

    #434736

    Anonymous
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    Hillarious. Map must be based on surnames but surnames might not have to do a thing with actual origins

    Map is based on historical, geographical and ethnographical research (Jovan Cvijić and his disciples and followers).

    #434737

    Anonymous
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    Map is based on historical, geographical and ethnographical research (Jovan Cvijić and his disciples and followers).

    Jovan Cvijic… Guy was biased freak

    #434738

    Anonymous
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    Jovan Cvijic… Guy was biased freak

    That's your opinion.

    #434739

    Anonymous
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    In Montenegro. ;)

    :D :D :D

    In Montenegro has never been Serbs, but after the 1918th
    And as we can see on the map professor Cvijića Serbs was neither in Serbia.

    U Crnoj Gori nikad nije bilo Srba, osim poslije 1918.
    A kako vidimo na karti profesora Cvijića, Srba nije bilo ni u Srbiji.

    #434740

    Anonymous
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    :D :D :D

    In Montenegro has never been Serbs, but after the 1918th
    And as we can see on the map professor Cvijića Serbs was neither in Serbia.

    U Crnoj Gori nikad nije bilo Srba, osim poslije 1918.
    A kako vidimo na karti profesora Cvijića, Srba nije bilo ni u Srbiji.

    According to Byzantine sources Serbs lived in Doclea if you have something that proves the opposite bring it forward as i see it "Montenegrins" didnt exist.

    #434741

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    :D :D :D

    In Montenegro has never been Serbs, but after the 1918th
    And as we can see on the map professor Cvijića Serbs was neither in Serbia.

    U Crnoj Gori nikad nije bilo Srba, osim poslije 1918.
    A kako vidimo na karti profesora Cvijića, Srba nije bilo ni u Srbiji.

    Je l' ovo sam sebi prevodiš na srpski ili kome?
    U čemu je problem, imaš li podstanare neke u glavi?
    Kaži šta te muči pa da probamo pomoći.

    #434742

    Anonymous
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    According to Byzantine sources Serbs lived in Doclea if you have something that proves the opposite bring it forward as i see it "Montenegrins" didnt exist.


    Byzantine sources just consistently not mention Serbs in Duklja. And see you really believe that then existed nations and peoples in the modern sense?
    You know then was feudalism, who did not know the people, an ethnic group. Feudalism is known only social classes, so when the ruler of a country mentioned his people, it refers to a narrow layer of nobility, mercenaries who guard him by the nobility and the people and priests. Certainly no feudal ruler and his people did not count the population base things, he did not even counted in the human species.

    Vizantijski izvori upravo doslijedno ne pominju Srbe u Duklji. A vidi vjeruješ li zaista da su tada postojale nacije i narodi u današnjem smislu?
    Znaš tada je bio feudalizam, koji nije poznavao narode, etničke grupe. Feudalizam je poznavao jedino socijalne slojeve, pa kad vladar neke zemlje pominje svoj narod, to se odnosi na uski sloj vlastele, plaćenike koji ga čuvaju od te vlastele i stanovništva i popova. Sigurno nijedan feudalni vladar i svoj narod nije ubrajao neplemenito stanovništvo, on ga čak nije ubrajao u ljudsku vrstu.

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    Je l' ovo sam sebi prevodiš na srpski ili kome?
    U čemu je problem, imaš li podstanare neke u glavi?
    Kaži šta te muči pa da probamo pomoći.

    No not translate into Serbian. Some of the respective interlocutors are not understood guglov translation, and give them the ability to read and the Montenegrin language, as we all learned in school Serbo-Croatian language. But that is not the issue, do you have to say about topics?

    Ne ne prevodim na srpski. Neki od poštovanih sagovornika nijesu razumijevali guglov prevod, pa im dajem mogućnost da pročitaju i na crnogorskom jeziku, jer smo svi učili u školi srpskohrvatski jezik. Ali to nije tema, imaš li što reći u vezi teme?

    The theme is the origin of Serbs from central Serbia and set the map made ​​by researching the great Serbian scientist John Cvijića. Map it turns out that today people created by mixing Hercegovinians, Montenegrins, Albanians, Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, and other ethnic groups from the Balkans, and that is the share of ethnic Serbs were very small. Starh me to have a big problem with defining their ethnicity.

    Tema je porijeklo Srba iz Centralne Srbije i postavljena je karta načinjena po istraživanju velikog srpskog naučnika Jovana Cvijića. Po karti ispada da danas u Srbiji živi narod nastao miješanjem Hercegovaca, Crnogoraca, Albanaca, Makedonaca, Grka, Bugara, i ostalih etničkih skupina sa Balkana, a da je zapravo udio etničkih Srba vrlo mali. Starh me je da imate veliki problem sa definisanjem svoga etniciteta.

    #434743

    Anonymous

    Istina je da se kod Porfirogenita (X vijek) Srbi ne pominju u Duklji, ali ih pozniji vizantijski izvori (počevši od onih koji govore o ustanku Stefana Vojislava) pominju.

    Ne znam šta je sporno na Cvijićevoj karti. Svaki moderni balkanski narod nastao je miješanjem raznih elemenata (slovenskih, vlaških…), pa tako i srpski.

    #434744

    Anonymous
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    Byzantine sources just consistently not mention Serbs in Duklja. And see you really believe that then existed nations and peoples in the modern sense?
    You know then was feudalism, who did not know the people, an ethnic group. Feudalism is known only social classes, so when the ruler of a country mentioned his people, it refers to a narrow layer of nobility, mercenaries who guard him by the nobility and the people and priests. Certainly no feudal ruler and his people did not count the population base things, he did not even counted in the human species.

    Alright since you are trying to play smart Mariano Bolizza servant of the Republic of Venice provided a very detailed overview of towns and villages in Montenegro and northern Albania in the early 17th century. The report concluded an ethnic Serb majority, while an Albanian minority was present in the Shkodra region and NO "Montenegrin" Etnicity Nationality.

    No not translate into Serbian. Some of the respective interlocutors are not understood guglov translation, and give them the ability to read and the Montenegrin language, as we all learned in school Serbo-Croatian language. But that is not the issue, do you have to say about topics?

    You dont have to translate everything you write to Serbian you know we are not born yesterday almost everyone here speak English.

    The theme is the origin of Serbs from central Serbia and set the map made ​​by researching the great Serbian scientist John Cvijića. Map it turns out that today people created by mixing Hercegovinians, Montenegrins, Albanians, Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, and other ethnic groups from the Balkans, and that is the share of ethnic Serbs were very small. Starh me to have a big problem with defining their ethnicity.

    Tema je porijeklo Srba iz Centralne Srbije i postavljena je karta načinjena po istraživanju velikog srpskog naučnika Jovana Cvijića. Po karti ispada da danas u Srbiji živi narod nastao miješanjem Hercegovaca, Crnogoraca, Albanaca, Makedonaca, Grka, Bugara, i ostalih etničkih skupina sa Balkana, a da je zapravo udio etničkih Srba vrlo mali. Starh me je da imate veliki problem sa definisanjem svoga etniciteta.

    Find me one people in the world who are ethnically pure and especially in the Balkans, Btw do you use google translate? Your English and Serbian text vary from one to another, What really is frightening here is that you belive there is a pure people.

    #434554

    Anonymous

    Okirus
    Istina je da se kod Porfirogenita (X vijek) Srbi ne pominju u Duklji, ali ih pozniji vizantijski izvori (počevši od onih koji govore o ustanku Stefana Vojislava) pominju.

    Ne znam šta je sporno na Cvijićevoj karti. Svaki moderni balkanski narod nastao je miješanjem raznih elemenata (slovenskih, vlaških…), pa tako i srpski.

    These sources often confuse the Serbs and Croats, and not to separate them, other Slovenian tribe warning. Such swell Greeks.

    Scvakako that today the people around Europe mixture of different nations and tribes. The nation as a political expression of the citizens of a state. Do not confuse the nation and the people as far as the different categories, the first is political and the other ethnic. Do you really think there is any connection between the medieval and modern Serbs?

    Ti izvori obično brkaju Srbe i Hrvate i nikako da ih razdvoje, ostala slovenska plemena ne opominju. Takvi su naduti Grci.

    Scvakako da su današnji narodui po evropi mješavine raznih naroda i plemena. Naciju su politički izraz građana neke države. Ne treba miješati naciju i narod jer su u pitanju različite kategorije, prva je politička a druga etnička. Misliš li zaista da postoji ikakva veza između srednjevjekovnih i današnjih Srba?

    RepublikaSrpska
    Alright since you are trying to play smart Mariano Bolizza servant of the Republic of Venice provided a very detailed overview of towns and villages in Montenegro and northern Albania in the early 17th century. The report concluded an ethnic Serb majority, while an Albanian minority was present in the Shkodra region and NO “Montenegrin” Etnicity Nationality.
    In the 17th century there are nations and peoples are shared by faith. The Church is called Serbian, and its believers are Serbs, just as Catholics are Latins, although the last latin extinct in the fourth century BC, or the Muslim Turks although ethnic Turks were only in trace amounts.
    U 17. vijeku ne postoje nacije, narodi se dijele po vjeri. Crkva se naziva srpska, pa su njezini vjernici Srbi, jednako kao što su katolici Latini, iako je posljednji latin istrijebljen u 4. vijeku prije nove ere, ili muslimani Turci iako je etničkih Turaka bilo samo u tragovima.

    You dont have to translate everything you write to Serbian you know we are not born yesterday almost everyone here speak English.
    Certainly, it is the universal language of Montenegro.
    Svakako , ipak je crnogorski univerzalni jezik.

    Find me one people in the world who are ethnically pure and especially in the Balkans, Btw do you use google translate? Your English and Serbian text vary from one to another, What really is frightening here is that you belive there is a pure people.
    I think the Google Translate fair in short sentences.
    There is no people in the world and that is not a mixture of different tribes and peoples Unlike the peoples of the nation are homogeneous. They identify themselves with the national state-building project.

    Mislim da je guglov prevodilac zadovoljavajući kod kratkih rečenica.
    Ne postoji nijedan narod na svijetu a da nije mješavina raznih plemena i naroda. Za razliku od naroda nacije jesu homogene. One se poistovjećuju sa nacionalnim državotvornim projektom.

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