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    Anonymous

    Amendments providing for the demolition of 500 monuments to Soviet soldiers in the territory of Poland have been made by the national parliament to the law banning the promotion of communism or other totalitarian regime in the names of buildings and objects.
    According to the document, memo and other memorial sites “can’t pay tribute to individuals, organizations, events or dates symbolizing communism or other totalitarian system”.
    In total, there are 469 “inappropriate” objects in the territory of Poland, about 250 of which symbolize the heroism and sacrifice of the Soviet army in a struggle against Hitler’s troops.
    Soviet troops, according to the document, are equal to those “who exerted criminal influence over the history of Poland.”
    http://russianconstruction.com/news-1/28063-poland-to-demolish-500-monuments-to-soviet-soldiers.html

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    Whether or not Poland demolishes Red Army monuments or any monuments is for Poland to decide. If it was up to me I would demolish some Red Army monuments for the following reasons:

    -There are too many of them built during Soviet era as part of Soviet ideology.
    -A lot of Red Army monuments are ugly. This I cannot understand , since there were many talented artists living in that period.

    What’s funny is a large number of Russian politicians and public personalities are screaming as if they will going to change something:

    MP Irina Yarovaya (United Russia) stated the demolition of Soviet monuments is a crime against peace and humanity.
    MP Dmitry Sablin (United Russia) told reporters that the results of the Sejm vote were “outside the boundaries of morality and humanity.”

    One public figure stated the Russian government should implement economic sanctions against Poland and cut all political ties with the government.
    MP from Communist party Kharitonov calls on the government to  wants to stop diplomatic relations with Poland.

    A Polish lecturer from Moscow State Institute of International Relations Jakub Korejba came out stating if Red Army monuments are important to Russia and Russia’s history. If the Russian government defends Red Army monuments abroad,  then why this very government does not provide funds to maintain Red Army monuments in Russia ? Look at the conditions of  the monuments in Russia, while in Poland  Red Army monuments are tidy and looked after – he said.
    He has  a point. Regular Russians visiting Belarus are also stating that monuments are well  looked after in Belarus, while in Russia they are not. In fact Russia is loosing many monuments from different periods of their history every year. The country may loose 5,000 monuments. Here’s an article about the lack of funding of Soviet monuments.

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    Memorial buildings and monuments  in Russia are in disrepair. The maintenance of thousands of monuments and WWII graves receive no government funding. Those that have a federal value are given to the administration f the regional authorities, who have no money too. Some monuments and memorials quietly disappear.

    In the Moscow region Aprelevka another monument was demolished. The monument to pilot Lieutenant Vasiliy Fedorovich who was pilot from Ukraine and WWII hero defending Moscow.

    What a farce from Russian politicians over these monuments.

    #439217

    Anonymous

    It is somewhat controversial issue here
    too, but even more controversies causes the idea of renaming the
    streets named after anything related to the communism.

    Regarding the monuments, I heard there
    were some in poor state which required taking special care after them
    and some were removed and placed somewhere else. Not sure about that
    right now, but seems like they really want to remove them in general
    – I’m fine with that. Having monuments of Red Army soldiers is for us
    like having monuments of Wehrmacht.

    I fully understand that Russian side
    cannot deal with the fact, that we are aware when and how the war
    really started and what the Soviet Union have done during and after
    that global conflict. Lies about brotherhood between communist
    nations have collapsed with communism. People remembered and
    experienced this Soviet “liberation” and didn’t had very
    good memories about it, they were just forbidden from mentioning it.
    But if Russia wants to get butthurt so much about our attitude toward
    the issue, then I am sure the student who made this statue in Gdańsk
    may create few more to piss them off a bit more, by showing what Red Army was infamous for in here. Maybe he will even
    receive a medal from our current ultra russophobic government!

    https://r-scale-56.dcs.redcdn.pl/scale/o2/tvn/web-content/m/p1/i/33ebd5b07dc7e407752fe773eed20635/c4a3fa52-3409-11e3-a471-0025b511229e.jpg?type=1&srcmode=4&srcx=0/1&srcy=0/1&srcw=640&srch=360&dstw=640&dsth=360&quality=80

    I wonder however, because I haven’t
    heard or at least I don’t remember, if they want to demolish the
    monuments devoted for Armia Ludowa as well. It was a proxy
    organisation of the Soviet Union, something like Armia Krajowa but
    allied with the Soviets. There were sometimes fights between the
    members of AL and other underground organisations, mainly AK and NSZ
    (Narodowe Siły Zbrojne), but sometimes cooperated, also participated
    in Warsaw Uprising fighting alongside other insurectionists.

    The government also wants to rename the
    streets and other places which have names connected with the
    communism. There are no names after the Soviets, but mostly Polish
    activists, or 1st May street, something like that. It is somewhat
    idiotic, since people got used to the current naming, and it’s more
    idiotic when someone has an idea to change names not related to the
    communism. For example, ulica Waryńskiego. Ludwik Waryński was a
    socialist activist who died in 1889, he was not a communist. But some
    moron with “power” decided that the name should be changed
    – I don’t know, maybe because he was presented on 100 PLN banknote in
    the past. But so did Mieszko I and Tadeusz Kościuszko. Another, most
    hilarious situation, is when someone decided to change the name of
    ul. Dworcowa. “Dworcowa” is an adjective derived from a
    noun “dworzec” which in this case means a railway station.
    But some idiot tried to act smart and found somewhere, possibly on
    Wikipedia, that there was a guy named Dvorcov in the Soviet Union, a
    communist (writer, not sure). But someone else have explained, that
    this street actually leads to a railaway station and was named like
    that before mentioned Dvorcov was born. :D So the name is not going to be changed.

    On some place I saw a conversation
    about the Palace of Culture and Science which is located in Warsaw, a
    gift from Stalin to the Polish nation… yeah, right. Some people
    from Warsaw seemed a bit mad and gave an idea of destroying the
    building as a symbol of a communist regime. Then I proposed
    destroying whole Warsaw so inhabitants can feel happier, because it
    surely hits the nerve to be aware who rebuilt that city, so they can
    rebuild it later by themselves. Of course my suggestion didn’t had
    many supporters, yet I noticed these are mainly Warsovians who had
    some ridicilous problems with a building that actually have a
    practical use. No one else seems to care.

    Technically, I would support the idea
    of removing the monuments of the Red Army, but I hope it won’t go
    much further, to a level of ridicilousness. But I haven’t heard about
    it in the media for quite long time, the government is now busy by
    showing off how they interrogate people involved in the Amber Gold
    scam. And by chance they have an opportunity to hunt for Donald Tusk,
    technically they seem focused right now on revealing the dirt that
    previous government is responsible for.   

    #439218

    Anonymous

    Haven’t read the whole article, but the real reason behind the street renaming is to take money from the citizens. Why? Just say how many people will need to change their documents

    #439221

    Anonymous

    @Shaokang, I doubt if changing the documents will require paying anything in this situation.

    #439222

    Anonymous

    Well, I remember 1990’s in Serbia. There was a similar situation ;)

    #439230

    Anonymous

    My understanding Polish authorities won’t be touching Red Army monuments where there’re graves to soldiers.

    #439233

    Anonymous

    Russians also dislike the fact Ukrainians renamed their cities, streets and districts  recently to which Ukrainians replied :  keep Leningrad for  St Petersburg, Kirov for Tver, Sverdlovsk for Ekaterinburg, Kuibyshev for Samara, Gorkiy for Nizhniy Novgorod, Brezhnev for Nabereznye Chelny. These are all commie names.

    And numerous little towns, districts, squares, metropolitan stations that changed to their original names in late 80s and early 90s.

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