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  • #346430

    Anonymous

    In macedonian
    Rus-рус
    Rusa-Руса
    Ruso-Русо
    Rusokos/a/o-Русокос/а/о
    Is usually used for people with blonde, light hair. So this word obviously is similar to russian. I was wondering, do you think that these words derive from russian, or the other way arround, seing how russians have mostly blond hair. Or is it possibly a loan word?

    #430570

    Anonymous

    In Czech language:
    rusý – a colour between yellow and red, something like polished copper
    rusovlasý – someone with red hair, nowadays mostly a poetical word

    Proto-slavic rusъ it's probably connected with P-sl. rudъ (red). You can also compare it with Lithuanian rausvas (red), Latin russus (red) and Proto-Indo-European h₁rewdʰ– (also red).

    #430571

    Anonymous

    In Slovenian word "ruse" is sometimes used to describe big, ungroomed mustaches, usually of older men.

    #430572

    Anonymous

    This was puzzling me for a while.

    I couldn't find any version of rus out of the South Slavic languages, nor in any neighboring non-Slavic languages, so I assumed it's a recently developed word, probably from the ethnonym Russian, as Penkalo mentioned.

    I've never heard about the Czech <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rus%C3%BD"&gt;rusý</a> until now.

    I thought *polvъ was the Proto-Slavic word for blond, although its derivatives' meaning got twisted though the ages. I've never thought on connection with rudъ, since here rus is used exclusively for blond, not redheaded.

    #430573

    Anonymous

    Rus/Rús in Slovene can mean several thing. Firstly it could mean Russian. However before 19th century Russians were called Muscovians not Russians.

    Rus primarly meant these two things before 19th century;

    1) Some type of cockroach. There is a saying; Jih je kot rusov/There are as many of them as rus's. Ironically enough most ppl today think this has to do with number of Russians but thats wrong, its about those cockroaches.

    2) Another meaning of rus is redish brownish red type of color.

    Idk how rus cockroaches look but i suspect they have that specific rus color. Anyways following rus dervied word meanings have relation with type of color supporting Zdenislav's claim;

    Rusast; reddish, brownish red: rusasti lasje (hair)

    Rusica; red colored ant with sting. Basically tpye of ant that is quite widespread in Slovenia. These ants are important part of folklore especially Resian folklore.

    Ruska; same as rusica and/or some kind of fish with golden/greenish (different color for this one) scales.

    Rusobrád/rusobrádec; redbearded.

    But there are also some words not neccesary connected with color. Good example by Štajerc which is word rusa; dialectical northeastern for a big ass beard. :) I don't think these Slovene words have anything to do with Russian ethnicity however.

    #430574

    Anonymous

    rus is not derived from russian.

    "ruse kose" means this in Serbian:

    [img width=504 height=700]http://wannabemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/red01.jpg” />

    This is the color of native copper, probably what original copper miners looked for.

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    Clay

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    This is "buba rus"

    [img width=700 height=588]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Blatella_germanica_p1160206.jpg/712px-Blatella_germanica_p1160206.jpg” />

    The German cockroach is cosmopolitan in distribution, occurring as a household pest around the world. Previously thought to be a native of Europe,[3] it is now is thought to be native to Ethiopia[4] or elsewhere in northern Africa,[5] and widely spread since ancient times. In Germany it is known as the Russian roach.[6]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cockroach

    Also have a look at this:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88878168&postcount=226

    #430575

    Anonymous

    pohvec

    Rusica; red colored ant with sting. Basically tpye of ant that is quite widespread in Slovenia. These ants are important part of folklore especially Resian folklore.

    What are you talking about here. This is quite interesting. Can you please provide details.

    #430576

    Anonymous

    In Ireland ancient bronze age copper mines are known as 'Dane's works' or 'Old Men's Workings'. This seems to suggest foreigners, non natives being the miners. It is possible that the local lore has preserved this from the time of the first miners in Ireland? The oldest known copper mine in Ireland is called Ros island. Even though it is not an Island, but a peninsula. Ros is an ambiguous word in the Irish language which can mean either "a wood" or "a promontory".

    Local historians argue that the placename comes from the Irish Ros Cré meaning "wood of Cré"; Cré being a historic female name. However, those specialising in the Irish language[citation needed] and its literature would argue that this is too narrow an interpretation and is inaccurate. The Irish name for the town, as agreed by An Brainse Logainmníochta (the State body for verifying Irish placenames) is indeed Ros Cré. Ros is an ambiguous word in the Irish language which can mean either "a wood" or "a promontory". It is regarded by local historians that the latter would be inaccurate given that promontories or, more accurately, promontory forts, are associated with coastal locations such as Dún Aonghusa. However, when we take the literal and most common meaning for of the word "cré" it allows us to explore a possible alternative to the meaning of the word. In his authoritative dictionary Dinneen defines the word "cré" as "earth, clay, dust". So there are several meanings we could attribute to the name "Ros Cré". "Wood of Cré" or "Promontory of Cré", both with Cré as the ancient girls name, or alternatively "An Earthen Wood" or "An Earthen Promontory" both with Cré as earthen or clay. Given how uncommon the ancient name Cré was, based on the balance of probabilities it is likely that the true meaning really is "An Earthen Promontory". The balance of probabilities[original research?] further leans towards this meaning when we consider that historically the town of Roscrea originally developed on an island called Móin na hInse, which is located just outside the modern day town. This would have provided for the use of a promontory fort in a similar way to their usage in coastal areas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscrea

    Clay and Copper have similar colors.

    Was ros originally word for color, rather peninsula or wood. And the meaning was lost as time passed and population changed?

    In Irish word for island is inis pronounced inish. So ros island is inish ros. Inish ros sounds very much like je nash rus, or je nashao rus… Was ros island just bastardized nash rus, our copper, place where we found copper?

    On the shore of Lough Leane near Killarney, Co. Kerry Britain and Ireland’s earliest known copper mines came into use about 2,400 BC and remained in use until 1900 BC. Excavations carried out here between 1992 and 1996 by Prof. William O’Brien uncovered copper mines and tens of thousands of stone hammers used to work them. The mines were worked by lighting fires against the rock face and using hammers and other tools to detach the rock. The main eastern mine is flooded by the lake but the western mine is 10.8m wide and 2.7m high at the entrance and narrows as it extends over 8m into the limestone. Over the five hundred years they were in use the mines may have produced up to 25,000-35,000 tonnes of arsenical copper. Immediately adjacent to the mines the work camp was uncovered where the extracted rock was processed into copper ore. Here at least eleven houses were identified. These were lightly built oval to sub-rectangular structures with walls supported by stakes and bedding trenches that may have had walls of wattles or animal skin. The houses were associated with mining tools, stone tools, animal bones and hundreds of sherds of beaker pottery representing 25 vessels.

    The importance of Ross Island is that it is the earliest known copper mine in Britain or Ireland. Analysis has shown that it was the origin of most of the metal used in Ireland and probably in Britain in the early stages of copper use and clearly associates early copper metallurgy with the users of beaker pottery.

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    http://www.culturalheritageireland.ie/index.php/irelands-top-100-heritage-discoveries/81-irelands-top-100-heritage-discoveries/151-heritage-discoveries-the-copper-mines-at-ross-island-co-kerry

    If Vincans invented copper, wouldn't they have named it? And passed that name on with copper? Is it possible that ros, rus, was the original name for copper, or copper color at least?

    kov(ina) – metal
    kovati – to forge to perform metal work
    kovacnica, kovnica – forge, smithy, farriery, stithy
    kovanica – something forcefully stack together like being forged
    kovach – smith

    and then we have these European words painfully stack together probably to give Indo European pedigree to the Irish word Gobann – smith

    In Gobán Saor can be seen elements of Goibniu, the Old Irish god of smithcraft.[1] His name can be compared with the Old Irish gobae ~ gobann ‘smith,’ Middle Welsh gof ~ gofein ‘smith,’ Gallic gobedbi ‘with the smiths,’ Latin faber ‘smith’ and with the Lithuanian gabija ‘sacred home fire’ and Lithuanian gabus ‘gifted, clever’.

    So Gobann is actually Kovan or Kovach, a foreigner who was gifted and clever, who worked with sacred fire, who new the secret of smelting and making metal weapons and who became deified as Goibniu or Kov nu the smith god.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85059096&postcount=72

    Only Serbo Croatian has the full cluster of Kov words. Is it because Serbo Croatian language is partially descended from the language of the old Metal People of the Balkans? Like Vincans?

    #430577

    Anonymous

    Serbian word "rošav" means freckled, with orange reddish marks.

    Small pox

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    Chicken pox

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    freckles

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    #430578

    Anonymous

    Maybe it comes from the mythological creature Rusalka. In one description they are described as having golden hair. But the rusalka is not common in macedonian folklore, the samovila or faerie is. Usually the samovilas are described as having golden hair.

    #430579

    Anonymous

    Maybe it comes from the mythological creature Rusalka.

    There is no way rus, ros can come from rusalka. It can only be the other way round.

    atopic dermatitis, in Serbian traditional medicine known as "rusa bolest", orange reddish disease.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopic_dermatitis

    The plant used in traditional medicine is Chelidonium.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelidonium

    The plant is in Serbian called rusopas.

    Serbian word "ružan" meaning ugly, probably comes from the same root as "rošav, rušav", made ugly by pox. This can be seen from this set of Serbo Croatian words:

    rus – read
    rusa – rose
    ruža – rose
    ružan – rosy

    #430580

    Anonymous

    Zaraza – infection probably comes from sa + ros =  with + read spots

    Rusalji – ghosts

    Could Rusalka be connected with rus, orangy, reddish pox?

    Rusalkas are female water demons. They are usually imagined as beautiful girls, with long, red, unbraided hair…. Also, rusalkas were considered to bring many incurable diseases….Rusalkas came on Tuesday, which started the Rusal week, and left the following Tuesday.  People made ceremonies to welcome and banish rusalkas. It was customary for women to participate in these ceremonies and for this purpose they identified themselves with the rusalkas. Ceremonies during the Rusal week were called rusalje and kranjice. The Wednesday of the Rusal week was called crooked Wednesday (kriva sreda). It was believed that anything planted that week will grow to be crooked and dwarf-like. The Thursday of the week was called green Thursday (zeleni četvrtak). It was strictly solemnized and people were not allowed to do anything that day. In Christianity, Rusal week was transformed into a holiday called Pentecost (Duhovi), more precisely rusalije were renamed into Pentecost. Pentecost is a holiday with a lot of pagan heritage, but it does not last a whole week. Rusal week (Pentecost) stands for a synthesis of Crhistianity and paganism. The celebration of rusalija in Serbia was first described by the Archbishop of Ohrid, Dimitrije Homitijan, when he forbid it.

    http://www.starisloveni.com/English/Rusalka.html

    People who can read Serbian can find interesting part about Rusaljke, Rusalje, women who fall into trance during Rusalia week from Carpathian mountains:

    http://www.vitovnica.com/vlasi.pdf

    In Serbian Ruja means the same as Rus, Russian.

    Does anyone have any additional Slavic words from the rus, ros cluster?

    In Serbian we also have these words:

    rus – crumb
    rusati – to crumb
    hrus – crumb
    hruskati, hrusati – to curmb

    rosa – dew, drizzle
    rosulja – wet field
    rosulja – meat eating plant. Look at the color of copper and tiny drops of glue

    [img width=700 height=525]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Drosera-rotundifolia.jpg” />

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosera_rotundifolia

    Could this also come from the same root?

    #430581

    Anonymous

    A lot of fans of folk "etymology" here, some of you should really get and read some books.

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    [size=8pt]Bernard Comrie, Greville G. Corbett: The Slavonic Languages, 2003, 111-112[/size]

    [img width=700 height=269]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img202/5939/z5vw.png” />

    As for the Russian ethnonym, it is of Varangian origin.

    #430582

    Anonymous

    We do Igor. Including books you read exclusively.

    #430583

    Anonymous

    Only Serbo Croatian has the full cluster of Kov words. Is it because Serbo Croatian language is partially descended from the language of the old Metal People of the Balkans? Like Vincans?

    The ful cluster of KOV words is in every slavic language, not only in serbo-croatian.

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