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    Russian Orthodox and Polish Catholic Church heads aim to reconcile

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    In the ornate setting of Warsaw's royal castle Patriarch Kirill, head of Russia's Orthodox Church, and Archbishop Jozef Michalik called for forgiveness and understanding.
    "We call upon our faithful to pray for the forgiveness of injustices and all the wrongs committed against one another," said the text. "The events of our common, often difficult and tragic history sometimes raise grievances and accusations that do not allow old wounds to heal." The memorandum has already been likened to a historic 1965 letter on forgiveness from Polish bishops to their German counterparts that paved the way for a new era of relations between Poland and Germany after the horrors of the Second World War.
    Poland's close friendship with Germany now stands in marked contrast with Warsaw's relations with Moscow, which are still dogged by mistrust and a widespread feeling in Poland that Russia has done too little to atone for historical wrongs inflicted on the Poles.
    Russia's apparent inability to come completely clean and show true regret over the 1940 massacre of thousands of Poles at the hands of Stalin's secret police in the Katyn forests, and the imposition of communist rule after the war still rankles Poland, and colours relations between the two countries.
    In response Moscow has long complained that a Polish obsession with history gets in the way of good relations, and interferes with Russia's relations with the West as a whole.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/

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    Anonymous

    Well, I fully support statement.

    #394831

    Anonymous
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    Russian Orthodox and Polish Catholic Church heads aim to reconcile

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    In the ornate setting of Warsaw's royal castle Patriarch Kirill, head of Russia's Orthodox Church, and Archbishop Jozef Michalik called for forgiveness and understanding.
    "We call upon our faithful to pray for the forgiveness of injustices and all the wrongs committed against one another," said the text. "The events of our common, often difficult and tragic history sometimes raise grievances and accusations that do not allow old wounds to heal." The memorandum has already been likened to a historic 1965 letter on forgiveness from Polish bishops to their German counterparts that paved the way for a new era of relations between Poland and Germany after the horrors of the Second World War.
    Poland's close friendship with Germany now stands in marked contrast with Warsaw's relations with Moscow, which are still dogged by mistrust and a widespread feeling in Poland that Russia has done too little to atone for historical wrongs inflicted on the Poles.
    Russia's apparent inability to come completely clean and show true regret over the 1940 massacre of thousands of Poles at the hands of Stalin's secret police in the Katyn forests, and the imposition of communist rule after the war still rankles Poland, and colours relations between the two countries.
    In response Moscow has long complained that a Polish obsession with history gets in the way of good relations, and interferes with Russia's relations with the West as a whole.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/

    I think this is a bad bad idea… the roman catholic church is on it's way down in exposure of major scandals…

    #394832

    Anonymous

    I misred.

    "In response Moscow has long complained that a Polish obsession with history gets in the way of good relations, and interferes with Russia's relations with the West as a whole."

    ^ yeah, I don't think that is being sensitive to Poland's need for reparations, and dealing with an injustice.  I'm not unopen to reparations and reconnection, and apologies and all that… but I find that moscow calling it "complaining" dismissive and not truely an apology. It's reminiscent of victim blaming.

    #394833

    Anonymous

    Wouldn't be a bad thing if the two Churches were to merge, or at least the Slavic ones.  The Italian Catholics have all been inflitrated and Protestant Evangelicals in America are essentially responsible for 80% of the problems in the world.

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    Wouldn't be a bad thing if the two Churches were to merge, or at least the Slavic ones.  The Italian Catholics have all been inflitrated and Protestant Evangelicals in America are essentially responsible for 80% of the problems in the world.

    I misread and thought they were merging too, which I think is a bad idea, for the very reason you stated.

    #394835

    Anonymous
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    Wouldn't be a bad thing if the two Churches were to merge, or at least the Slavic ones. 

    Well, it is pretty complicated. I am not speaking about topics who did what to whom there is basic thing, that Orthodox refue to accept Papal universal authority as dogmatic teaching and as real jurisdiction. Orthodox accept Papal primat (ie Pope was first bishop in world, but according to Orthodox as Primus inter pares). Roman Catholics mostly insisted on Papal jurisdictional primate and in Vatacan I it was elevated on Dogma. Modern Catholics surely wish unity (well except some ultra-tridentine groups), but it is extremly hard, allmost impossible find solution betwen Dogma about Papal authority, and principal refusal of Orthodox Church to accept it. But we allways shold look for chance of reunion of Church (ie traditional Churches, Orthodx and Roman Catholic).

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    Well, it is pretty complicated. I am not speaking about topics who did what to whom there is basic thing, that Orthodox refue to accept Papal universal authority as dogmatic teaching and as real jurisdiction. Orthodox accept Papal primat (ie Pope was first bishop in world, but according to Orthodox as Primus inter pares). Roman Catholics mostly insisted on Papal jurisdictional primate and in Vatacan I it was elevated on Dogma. Modern Catholics surely wish unity (well except some ultra-tridentine groups), but it is extremly hard, allmost impossible find solution betwen Dogma about Papal authority, and principal refusal of Orthodox Church to accept it. But we allways shold look for chance of reunion of Church (ie traditional Churches, Orthodx and Roman Catholic).

    Orthodox: Priests can marry: Sane
    Catholic: Priests cannot marry: Insane

    You choose …  ;D

    (Oops! I forgot about the Poles and the Croats!! Now I'm in big trouble! I ask for forgiveness :) )

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