• This topic has 30 voices and 94 replies.
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 96 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #342229

    Anonymous

    I dont know how many of you share my passion for heraldry but still I decided to open this thread which can be used for presentation of most important COA from all Slavic countries and their history. For the start, I will post some pictures of Bosnian and other south Slavic shields with hope that other members will give valuable contributions from their states and areas. ;)

    #364321

    Anonymous

    The present-day coat of arms of Ukraine (pretty well known I think):

    image

    Full coat of arms of Ukraine:

    Ukrainian coat of arms during history:

    Ukrainian National Republic (1917 – 1921)

    image

    Cossack Hetmanate (1649 – 1782)

    image

    Kingdom of Halych-Volyn (1199 – 1349)

    image

    Trident of Yaroslav the wise (11th century)

    image

    Tridents of the Rurikids

    image

    #364322

    Anonymous

    Great thread. Thanks Krstjanin. Polish nobility has dozens of coats of arms  ;)

    @Sokil
    I noticed that both Tridents of the Rurikids and Polish coats of arms resemble magical characters of the Sarmatians which were called „tamgas”. I will try to find tables with the tamgas. :)

    #364323

    Anonymous

    @Sokil
    I noticed that both Tridents of the Rurikids and Polish coats of arms resemble magical characters of the Sarmatians which were called „tamgas”. I will try to find tables with the tamgas.

    I’m looking forward to seeing these, thank you in advance

    #364324

    Anonymous

    The Ukrainian Coat of Arms was a mystery for me for a long time. Thank you Sokil for your information. I never knew anything about the “Trizub”. These crests are a whole new thing for me.

    #364325

    Anonymous

    While we are waiting for a big scientific break-trough of Prelja, here are some more examples of medieval Bosnian shields in use:

    Seal of Bosnian king Dabiša (14. century):

    Seal of Bosnian ban Stjepan II Kotromanić, also 14. century:

    Royal seal of king TVrtko I with Bosnian shield ( right) and Serbian ( left) ( 14. century):
    image
    Seal of Tvrtko while he still was a ban:

    from the seal of bosnian king Tvrtko II ( 15. century):
    image

    bosnian COA from the golden coin of the king Tvrtko I:

    From the mantle of king Tvrtko I:
    image

    #364327

    Anonymous

    @Krstjanin: Where exactly is “Primordia”? I never heard this name. The coat of arms with the armed hand-symbol reminds me somewhat of the emblem of Polish nationalists:

    I have also seen the armed hand on another coat of arms from the Baltic region (I think it was from Estonia) but I don’t remember if it was from some noble family or a military unit or whatever else and I’m at the moment unable to find it.

    #364329

    Anonymous

    Primordia or Primorje is just Adriatic seaside, many south SLavic rulers had it among their titles.

    http://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorje_%28%C5%BEupa%29
    This is the same COA from Korjenić-Neorić Roll of arms:
    image

    Bosnian and Croatian duke Hrvoje also had similar arm on his shield.

    COA of bosnia in Austria-Hungary:
    image

    #364330

    Anonymous

    Thank you for the information
    I could have guessed where it lies if I had looked at the name more carefully D

    #364332

    Anonymous

    I could have guessed where it lies if I had looked at the name more carefully Cheesy

    ;D

    The same situation was with me when I first time heard it. :D

    Thank you for the information Smiley

    Nothing ;)

    #364333

    Anonymous

    [size=14pt]Tamga[/size]

    A tamga or tamgha "stamp, seal" (Mongolian: tamag, Turkish: damga) is an abstract seal or stamp used by Eastern Eurasian nomadic peoples and by cultures influenced by them. The tamga was normally the emblem of a particular tribe, clan or family. They were common among the Mongols, Scythians, Sarmatians, Bulgars, Alans and all Turkic peoples, including Khazars and Uyghurs. Neighboring sedentary people sometimes adopted tamga-like symbols; for example, the stylized trident tamga, or seal were used by various peoples of Eastern Europe and Asia: Kushan Empire, Bulgarians, the Dulo clan, the Rus', Khazars, Kipchaks, Tatars, Tatars, Lithuanians and Poles. Archaeologists prize tamgas as a first-rate source for the study of present and extinct cultures.

    The Tamga in Polish heraldry

    Polish heraldry includes the extensive use of horseshoes, arrows, Maltese crosses, scythes, stars and crescents as well as many purely geometrical shapes for which a separate set of heraldic terms was invented. It has been suggested that originally all Polish coats of arms were based on such abstract geometrical shapes, but most were gradually "rationalized" into horseshoes, arrows and so on. If this hypothesis is correct, it suggests in turn that Polish heraldry, also unlike Western European heraldry, may be at least partly derived from tamgas. However, the evidence about the origins of the system is scanty, and this hypothesis has been criticized as being part of the Polish noble tradition of romanticizing their supposed Sarmatian ancestry. On this matter, research and controversy continue.

    Table I
    image

    As can be seen from some examples of these coats of arms in their earliest known forms (Table I) there is a striking resemblance to some magical sigils from medieval and later grimoires (textbooks of magic. In later times under the influence of the West European heraldry, the elements of the coats of arms were convetionalized and represented as realistic objects such as stars, swords, arrows horse shoes etc. but it is still possible to reconstruct the original forms of these signs.

    A distinctive feature of Polish heraldry is that one arms could have been used by dozens and in some cases by hundreds of families, all of which were believed to be related to one another though the exact genealogical links were so remote that they were no longer remembered. In fact they preceded the formation of family names. On the other hand, families of the same name may have used different arms which was the sign that they were not related and having the same name was just a coincidence.

    There are two main theories concerning the origin of these typically Polish coats of arms. Both of them are very interesting and meaningful from the occult point of view, though the first one is considered historically incorrect. They are shortly as follows:

    1) The runic theory: it was developed by Prof. Piekosiński at the end of the past century. He believed that the heraldic signs evolved from the Scandinavian runes brought to Poland by the Viking invaders who later settled in this country and became the noble class. Several books of his expounded a very elaborate system showing the way in which the coats of arms were generated from runic letters claiming for instance, that the crosses were added after adopting-the Christian religion as a sign of „sanctifying” the symbols.

    2) The Sarmatian theory: ‘This is a current theory saying that the coats of arms of Polish nobility developed from magical characters of the Sarmatians which were called „tamgas”. According to tradition Polish nobility were the descendants of the ancient Sarmatians, and in fact Poland was often called Sarmatia or Sauromatia. In the 19th century this traditional belief was regarded as a myth, but now it is held to be based on truth. The tamgas were magical signs the exact purpose of which is not known. They were found on various objects of everyday use, on weapons, jewellery, etc. and were brought to Europe by the Sarmatians in the early centuries A.D, from their homeland on the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea where they bordered with the Persian Empire the land of the Magi. It is easy to see the similarity of the tamgas and the coats of arms of Polish nobility (Table II).

    Table II

    image

    Another interesting and magically significant feature of Polish heraldry is that each coat of arms has a special word associated with it. This word is known as „zawolaniel” which means „a call” or „a cry” and very often its meaning and etymology is not known.

    So having a magical character (coat of arms) and a word of power („zawolanie”), it seems possible to apply traditional magical techniques in order to get in contact with the „genius” of the family or its collective unconscious. As every individual has his Holy Guardian Angel similarly every family may be said to have its „Holy Guardian Archangel”, which may be contacted in this way.

    These heraldic signs may also be looked upon from a different angle. They may be considered to be sigils which used to express some kind of a desire when they were created as the emblem of the family and later the desire itself was forgotten on the conscious level activating the unconscious level.

    Tamgi  from the book Sarmaci (Sarmats) – by prof. Tadeusz Sulimirski

    Tamgas on objects and weapons
    image
    image

    Tamgas and coats of arms
    image
    image

    Tamgas on stone
    image

    Tamgas and runes on buckles
    image

    More interesting information about tamgas

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/30_Writing/301Tamgas/TamgasContentsEn.htm

    http://www.tcoletribalrugs.com/article48WrightTamga.html

    #364334

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    [size=14pt]Tamga[/size]

    A tamga or tamgha "stamp, seal" (Mongolian: tamag, Turkish: damga) is an abstract seal or stamp used by Eastern Eurasian nomadic peoples and by cultures influenced by them. The tamga was normally the emblem of a particular tribe, clan or family. They were common among the Mongols, Scythians, Sarmatians, Bulgars, Alans and all Turkic peoples, including Khazars and Uyghurs. Neighboring sedentary people sometimes adopted tamga-like symbols; for example, the stylized trident tamga, or seal were used by various peoples of Eastern Europe and Asia: Kushan Empire, Bulgarians, the Dulo clan, the Rus', Khazars, Kipchaks, Tatars, Tatars, Lithuanians and Poles. Archaeologists prize tamgas as a first-rate source for the study of present and extinct cultures.

    The Tamga in Polish heraldry

    Polish heraldry includes the extensive use of horseshoes, arrows, Maltese crosses, scythes, stars and crescents as well as many purely geometrical shapes for which a separate set of heraldic terms was invented. It has been suggested that originally all Polish coats of arms were based on such abstract geometrical shapes, but most were gradually "rationalized" into horseshoes, arrows and so on. If this hypothesis is correct, it suggests in turn that Polish heraldry, also unlike Western European heraldry, may be at least partly derived from tamgas. However, the evidence about the origins of the system is scanty, and this hypothesis has been criticized as being part of the Polish noble tradition of romanticizing their supposed Sarmatian ancestry. On this matter, research and controversy continue.

    Table I
    image

    As can be seen from some examples of these coats of arms in their earliest known forms (Table I) there is a striking resemblance to some magical sigils from medieval and later grimoires (textbooks of magic. In later times under the influence of the West European heraldry, the elements of the coats of arms were convetionalized and represented as realistic objects such as stars, swords, arrows horse shoes etc. but it is still possible to reconstruct the original forms of these signs.

    A distinctive feature of Polish heraldry is that one arms could have been used by dozens and in some cases by hundreds of families, all of which were believed to be related to one another though the exact genealogical links were so remote that they were no longer remembered. In fact they preceded the formation of family names. On the other hand, families of the same name may have used different arms which was the sign that they were not related and having the same name was just a coincidence.

    There are two main theories concerning the origin of these typically Polish coats of arms. Both of them are very interesting and meaningful from the occult point of view, though the first one is considered historically incorrect. They are shortly as follows:

    1) The runic theory: it was developed by Prof. Piekosiński at the end of the past century. He believed that the heraldic signs evolved from the Scandinavian runes brought to Poland by the Viking invaders who later settled in this country and became the noble class. Several books of his expounded a very elaborate system showing the way in which the coats of arms were generated from runic letters claiming for instance, that the crosses were added after adopting-the Christian religion as a sign of „sanctifying” the symbols.

    2) The Sarmatian theory: ‘This is a current theory saying that the coats of arms of Polish nobility developed from magical characters of the Sarmatians which were called „tamgas”. According to tradition Polish nobility were the descendants of the ancient Sarmatians, and in fact Poland was often called Sarmatia or Sauromatia. In the 19th century this traditional belief was regarded as a myth, but now it is held to be based on truth. The tamgas were magical signs the exact purpose of which is not known. They were found on various objects of everyday use, on weapons, jewellery, etc. and were brought to Europe by the Sarmatians in the early centuries A.D, from their homeland on the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea where they bordered with the Persian Empire the land of the Magi. It is easy to see the similarity of the tamgas and the coats of arms of Polish nobility (Table II).

    Table II

    image

    Another interesting and magically significant feature of Polish heraldry is that each coat of arms has a special word associated with it. This word is known as „zawolaniel” which means „a call” or „a cry” and very often its meaning and etymology is not known.

    So having a magical character (coat of arms) and a word of power („zawolanie”), it seems possible to apply traditional magical techniques in order to get in contact with the „genius” of the family or its collective unconscious. As every individual has his Holy Guardian Angel similarly every family may be said to have its „Holy Guardian Archangel”, which may be contacted in this way.

    These heraldic signs may also be looked upon from a different angle. They may be considered to be sigils which used to express some kind of a desire when they were created as the emblem of the family and later the desire itself was forgotten on the conscious level activating the unconscious level.

    Tamgi  from the book Sarmaci (Sarmats) – by prof. Tadeusz Sulimirski

    Tamgas on objects and weapons
    image
    image

    Tamgas and coats of arms
    image
    image

    Tamgas on stone
    image

    Tamgas and runes on buckles
    image

    More interesting information about tamgas

    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/30_Writing/301Tamgas/TamgasContentsEn.htm

    http://www.tcoletribalrugs.com/article48WrightTamga.html

    Great contribution, rep for this!

    #364335

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Great contribution, rep for this!

    Thank you :)

    #364336

    Anonymous

    Thank you from my side too. This is what we need. ;)

    #364337

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Thank you from my side too. This is what we need. ;)

    Your Majesty, Your generosity overwhelms me :D ;)

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 96 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Slavorum

9 User(s) Online Join Server
  • Tujev
  • jorgos
  • Piachu
  • Oliver (TW BLOCK)
  • Jyxia
  • kony97