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  • #344765

    Anonymous

    I was always wondering why the Slovaks use this letter, which is very unusual among Slavs.

    Is this a german influence?

    And since when it became standard?

    #405118

    Anonymous

    They wanna be special. :D

    #405119

    Anonymous

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel
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    Scientis think it corresponds Common slavic vowel yat  ѣ-Cyrillic ⱑ-Glagolitic.

    #405120

    Anonymous

    It is useless in our language, I think. I would ban it. There is no difference between "e" and "ä" in pronunciation.

    #405121

    Anonymous

    when my grandpa speaks tries to speak official slovak he pronounces it "a". devať koruny :D
    only people somewhere in upper nitra or somewhere there pronounce it (maybe)

    #405122

    Anonymous
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    when my grandpa speaks tries to speak official slovak he pronounces it "a". devať koruny :D
    only people somewhere in upper nitra or somewhere there pronounce it (maybe)

    Where is your grandpa from? Western Slovakia? Záhorie? So slovak svätý would be pronounced like czech svatý.

    #405123

    Anonymous

    eastern slovakia. but this has nothing to do with region he comes from. tbh i dont know why he says "devať", but when he speaks in our speech, he says "dzevec" properly.

    p. s. we say "svati" (saint) too :)

    #405124

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel
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    Scientis think it corresponds Common slavic vowel yat  ѣ-Cyrillic ⱑ-Glagolitic.

    This.

    Slovak vowel ä has nothing to do with German ä, it sounds differently. Originally only Central Slovak dialects (generally all Central ones – from the north to the south Slovakia) contain this vowel, Western Slovak and Eastern Slovak dialects don't have it… you can hear e or a in Western/Eastern Slovak words in which Central Slovaks pronounce ä. The standard Slovak language is based on Central Slovak, that is why it has this ä too, among others.

    Asking why we use it is the same as asking why Czechs use ě, Russians ё and Poles ę… because language or dialects developed in this way. The truth is that people are lazy to pronounce this vowel now, I think it happened thanks to the media influence from Bratislava where you can hear such a disturbing accent… For example, my grandma still pronounces ä, I do it only in some words (žriebä, holúbä, sôvä… ), but just like another young people, I got used to replace it with normal and plain e. Ä is on its way to extinct sooner or later.

    #405125

    Anonymous

    Are there any sound examples.

    #405126

    Anonymous
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    Are there any sound examples.

    Good idea! I'm for this. :)

    #405127

    Anonymous

    Can't find any audio records.. but if you will be good, I'll record and upload it later.

    #405128

    Anonymous
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    Can't find any audio records.. but if you will be good, I'll record and upload it later.

    vocaroo.com is an easy way to record.

    #405129

    Anonymous

    But which sound in an other language would equal then? Does any other language have such a sound too (mayb written differently)? ???

    #405130

    Anonymous

    According to Wikipedia, the letter is pronounced as [æ] or [ɛ]. [æ] is a sound between [a] and [ɛ] (Polish e).

    #405131

    Anonymous
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    But which sound in an other language would equal then? Does any other language have such a sound too (mayb written differently)? ???

    According to linguists, it was all-Slavic. OCS have letter for it, but I allread wrote it, in first response, and I left sound record of vowel.

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