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- November 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm #342369
In sympathy of the Polish uprising in 1830, in many German towns Polish societies (Polenvereine) were founded, which collected money for the insurgents and also gave shelter to refugees after the uprising had failed. Some describe this phenomenon as Polenbegeisterung, Poland-Enthusiasm, which also can be translated as Pole-Enthusiasm. In pro-Prussian/NS literature this happening is described as treason and downplayed. I would be interested how this is percieved in Poland.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.ieg-ego.eu/de/threads/europaeische-medien/europaeische-medienereignisse/1830er-revolution/gabriela-brudzynska-nemec-polenbegeisterung-in-deutschland-nach-1830&ei=aLHGToWGF5HssgaA1IXyBg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEYQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpolenbegeisterung%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D629%26prmd%3DimvnsNovember 18, 2011 at 9:55 pm #366531
This is pretty interesting. I was aware of many of the uprisings after the partitions of Poland. However, I thought that the support mainly came from exiled Polish nobles in France. Poles have had a sense of Francophilia for a long time. Especially the nobles. This is one reason why they fought with Napoleon.
Perhaps, some other Polish members of Slavorum can offer more on this than I.November 19, 2011 at 11:07 am #366532
Very interesting reading indeed. I had only heard about this and never read deeper into it.
There was great resistence within German lands towards iron-handed rule of Prussian ruling class, therefore no doubt they felt sympathy for everyone else who was oppressed under Prussian rule, as they themselves were also.
Reason for this, I imagine (though Vedmak obviously knows much more on this topic), is all Germans supported German revolution of 1848 against Napoleon's rule, while Prussians seemed to have quickly forgotten about this with their rule over Poland and Baltics, not to mention elements of Von Bismarck's "kulturkampf" policies that were directed against his own people of different faith, beliefs and views.
If I were alive at this time and living under Prussian rule, I would have returned favour and done all I could have done to help this German people of patriotic spirit of mid-19th Century, who liberated their land from foreign rule and felt sympathy/empathy to Poles now then under oppressive Prussian rule, and since as Pole living under Prussian rule, I would have full empathy for them and their movement against same oppressive Prussian rule as they themselves were facing. Such rememberence is also great for healing Polish-German relations IMO, among other earlier historical ties.
THIS IS TRUE GERMANY:November 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm #366533
Thats interesting thanks for this Vedmak!
I have noticed one interesting thing on this links:
Check out Polish flag side by side with German flag.
Infact this stamp is realistic becouse apparently they realy waved Polish flag.November 19, 2011 at 8:40 pm #366534
That stamp is pretty cool. It actually encourages cooperation of the two nations and not dominance of one of the other! Bismarck and the Nazis just wouldn't have that.November 19, 2011 at 8:51 pm #366535
Yes people at Hambacher Fest belived in free Germany, free european states and in general freedom of all nations. Obviously there is also some religious touch in Hambacher Fest becouse Hambach is in religiously mixed land and they also wanted freedom of your personal belief. Imagine if Germany turned out to be free Republic in 19th century instead of Prussian monoply. They would be bastion of free European nations and WWI wouldnt happen.
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