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  • #343397

    Anonymous

    As much as we sympathize with folks in the Balkans for their long and tragic histories, the region is geopolitical necrotic tissue and must be cut free before infecting the West even further. Treating countries like Greece and Serbia as fundamentally "Western" is a Cold War relic, and admitting Greece into both NATO and the EU was a sentimental and short-sighted symptom of that mindset. Their voters have spoken, and the Greek "left" agrees with the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, while Serbia's lingering denial of Srebrenica counts as progress. These are not liberal Western societies and never will be in the lifetimes of anyone alive today.

    Their true brethren are in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk, and they should be allowed to drift in that direction. This new "Fourth Reich" bloc (personal note: as opposed to the Western mainstream agenda) is defined by several pervasive common traits: unapologetic corruption and authoritarianism, toxic ethnic and sectarian tribalism, the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism, twinned Antisemitism and Islamophobia, complete subordination of individuality to hive-thought, an ironically homoerotic love of all things macho (personal note: probably what the west perceives as being male), and hopeless demographic free-fall. The proper Western response to the "Fourth Reich" is not confrontation because the effort is not worth the reward of saving these societies from themselves. They will no longer exist in anything resembling their current form by mid-century unless they abruptly lay off the substance abuse and resume having babies.

    Instead of military analogies ("a new Cold War"), the appropriate Western reaction to the Fourth Reich is radically different: hospice care. Keep the patient comfortable, avoid upsetting him (that would be you, Mr. Saakashvili), and disregard any long-term self-destructive behavior if it makes him happy here and now. While China and the West endure the relative headcolds of our debt and trade deficit issues, the "Fourth Reich" grapples with end-stage cancer in the form of total cultural, political, economic, and demographic rot from within. Russia, once a scientific and technological giant to be envied, is now a fuel depot. Meanwhile the developed world finds alternative sources for petrochemicals seemingly everywhere and invests in alternative energies for a long-term future which few Russians need worry about.

    And if majorities in Greece, Serbia, and even Russia want ethnically homogenous mono-states, who are we to contest their democratic will? All the West can do is leave the door open for the self-chosen exceptions as we did during the Cold War. They will not be many, they will not be missed, they will be welcome and productive here, and their lives are at literal risk in their homelands. We at least travel to the far ends of the earth to bomb and torture foreigners; the "Fourth Reich" enjoys such excesses with their own people (if they will pardon the grave offense of inferring that Roma, Albanians, Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. are "their own people"). Let Greece leave, and abandon sentimental fantasies of Serbia or any other Balkan tribe becoming "Western" in any meaningful sense. The "Fourth Reich" states flunk the most basic criterion for becoming Western: they do not want to be Western and, in fact, despise the West. Their wishes should be respected.

    – taken from the comment section of a famous western-propaganda network.

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    The most sincere Western view I read about the East. Your thoughts about it.

    #384477

    Anonymous

    Is this guy saying that instead of the Balkans sucking up to the west, they should suck up to Eastern powers like Russia and China?

    #384478

    Anonymous

    what is west?
    i read about some people, "conservatives", who write and speak a lot about "west". like "west this, west that" and "save western civilization". what do they want to save, that west which does not exist anymore, or the one they fight against?

    and this is good.

    the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism

    the bizarre cult of west and its particularism  ;)

    #384479

    Anonymous
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    Is this guy saying that instead of the Balkans sucking up to the west, they should suck up to Eastern powers like Russia and China?

    What? He is putting China and "West" on same side. Other than that, this is anti-Orthodox pointless garbage.

    #384480

    Anonymous
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    What? He is putting China and "West" on same side.

    Oh, I must have misread it then.

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    this is anti-Orthodox pointless garbage.

    How do you figure?

    #384481

    Anonymous
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    How do you figure?

    How? Simply by reading it.

    #384482

    Anonymous
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    How? Simply by reading it.

    I've read it over, I still don't understand how it is "anti-Orthodox pointless garbage".

    #384483

    Anonymous

    This text is funny. However Greeks are bunch of communists sucking up our money. Modern Greeks are fake ass anarchist who want to live great lifes on our accounts. Comparing pensions in Slovenia or other post 2004 EU members with Greek pensions tells us all. Not that i mention our economy is healthier than theirs yet we have worser pay and pensions. Thats becouse Greeks are fake ass lazy assholes and all they want is money. They are spending more than they can afford and they went crying in Strasbourg since they have empty barrel. Screw them!

    Average pension in Slovenia;    604 €
    Average pension in Greece;      1.600 €

    Oh my goodness those poor ass Greeks. :-X ::)

    #384484

    Anonymous
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    I've read it over, I still don't understand how it is "anti-Orthodox pointless garbage".

    Treating countries like Greece and Serbia as fundamentally "Western" is a Cold War relic, and admitting Greece into both NATO and the EU was a sentimental and short-sighted symptom of that mindset. Their voters have spoken, and the Greek "left" agrees with the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, while Serbia's lingering denial of Srebrenica counts as progress. These are not liberal Western societies and never will be in the lifetimes of anyone alive today.

    …Their true brethren are in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk, and they should be allowed to drift in that direction. This new "Fourth Reich" bloc (personal note: as opposed to the Western mainstream agenda) is defined by several pervasive common traits: unapologetic corruption and authoritarianism, toxic ethnic and sectarian tribalism, the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism, twinned Antisemitism and Islamophobia, complete subordination of individuality to hive-thought, an ironically homoerotic love of all things macho (personal note: probably what the west perceives as being male), and hopeless demographic free-fall. The proper Western response to the "Fourth Reich" is not confrontation because the effort is not worth the reward of saving these societies from themselves. They will no longer exist in anything resembling their current form by mid-century unless they abruptly lay off the substance abuse and resume having babies….

    …(that would be you, Mr. Saakashvili), and disregard any long-term self-destructive…

    And if majorities in Greece, Serbia, and even Russia want ethnically homogenous mono-states, who are we to contest their democratic will? All the West can do is leave the door open for the self-chosen exceptions as we did during the Cold War. They will not be many, they will not be missed, they will be welcome and productive here, and their lives are at literal risk in their homelands. We at least travel to the far ends of the earth to bomb and torture foreigners; the "Fourth Reich" enjoys such excesses with their own people (if they will pardon the grave offense of inferring that Roma, Albanians, Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. are "their own people"). Let Greece leave, and abandon sentimental fantasies of Serbia or any other Balkan tribe becoming "Western" in any meaningful sense. The "Fourth Reich" states flunk the most basic criterion for becoming Western: they do not want to be Western and, in fact, despise the West. Their wishes should be respected.

    So you want to say this shows Serbia, Russia, Greece, Belarus, Ukraina and Gruzia in positive light? Next step would be to show, how all this is derived from their "retrograde religion"

    #384485

    Anonymous
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    So you want to say this shows Serbia, Russia, Greece, Belarus, Ukraina and Gruzia in positive light? Next step would be to show, how all this is derived from their "retrograde religion"

    So what is your specific problem with this article? That's what I'm trying to understand. You say it's anti-orthodox, but the only thing I can see in there that could be anti-Orthodox is "the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism". Explain to me why it's anti-Orthodox. Sorry if the answer is already obvious to you, I just don't see it.

    #384486

    Anonymous
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    This text is funny. However Greeks are bunch of communists sucking up our money. Modern Greeks are fake ass anarchist who want to live great lifes on our accounts. Comparing pensions in Slovenia or other post 2004 EU members with Greek pensions tells us all. Not that i mention our economy is healthier than theirs yet we have worser pay and pensions. Thats becouse Greeks are fake ass lazy assholes and all they want is money. They are spending more than they can afford and they went crying in Strasbourg since they have empty barrel.

    Well, text is wrong, they blaber about neo-Nazis, while by all chances in Greece radical leftists will win election. Other hypocrisy is while, Greeks spent to much money, guilt for crisis is not theirs but rather American. Also you have similar situation in Spain, where EU encouraged series of socialist governments to use lot of MMF money in order to keep power. EU technocratic drones implemented socialists in Spain, Portugal and Greece out of fear of Comunism, or return right wing dictatorships. Now when drones dont have money to stipend Greek, Spanish and Portugese lumpenproletarait system is devatated.

    #384487

    Anonymous
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    Well, text is wrong, they blaber about neo-Nazis, while by all chances in Greece radical leftists will win election. Other hypocrisy is while, Greeks spent to much money, guilt for crisis is not theirs but rather American. Also you have similar situation in Spain, where EU encouraged series of socialist governments to use lot of MMF money in order to keep power. EU technocratic drones implemented socialists in Spain, Portugal and Greece out of fear of Comunism, or return right wing dictatorships. Now when drones dont have money to stipend Greek, Spanish and Portugese lumpenproletarait system is devatated.

    Well it is a comment, and not an article so I wouldn't get so worked up about it. However, concerning the Greeks, it is largely their fault as well; they are lazy when it comes to paying taxes. I heard the citizens of Greece owe the government 40 million dollars in taxes (it's probably higher now).

    #384488

    Anonymous

    Greek bureaucracy or whatever it is called is way to big and they are constantly striking instead of working. People with such good standards and so many job benefits (infact in Greece you get a bonus for showing up for work) and yet they are striking. Simply put they are anarcho lazy asses and i dont think these benefits and high pensions are America's guilt. ;D

    #384489

    Anonymous
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    So what is your specific problem with this article? That's what I'm trying to understand. You say it's anti-orthodox, but the only thing I can see in there that could be anti-Orthodox is "the bizarre cult of Slavic and/or Orthodox particularism". Explain to me why it's anti-Orthodox. Sorry if the answer is already obvious to you, I just don't see it.

    What is connection between so called Fourth Reich conutries?

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    Simply put they are anarcho lazy asses and i dont think these benefits and high pensions are America's guilt. ;D

    Americans destroyed European economy, now EU drones could not finance their Southern colonies. :) They are in panic. Not becauese they wish to continue rulling colonies, now they are looking for safe exist, wich would cost them less.

    #384490

    Anonymous

    The nickname of author is "American Troll", so don't be so serious  :D

    I've met such views among Western liberal ignorants with this paranoid fear of Eastern Europeans and mythical cooperation of ex-Soviet countries, they have real problem with intellect unless of course they have no purpose to catch the lulz. Dying black pro-gay pro-jewish western europe simply has no chance to survive. They'll be proud of their tolerance in Somalian Jama'at.

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