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    pollex
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    Turkic peoples are neighbors of Slavs probably from the times of Huns who presumably were (at least partially) Turkic. Today Slavic country of Bulgaria was initially founded by the Bulgarian Turkic tribe. Russian state was strongly influenced by mostly Turkic Golden Orda. And South Slavs were impacted by Ottoman Turkey.

    Slavic languages most influenced by Turkic languages are in my opinion Bulgarian and Russian, in smaller extent Ukrainian and Serbian as well (or am I wrong?).

    I hope that our Bulgarian and Russian friends help to fill this topic.

    But be careful. Some words borrowed by Slavs from Turkic languages are not really Turkic but have Mongol, Persian or Arabian origin.

    #474655

    pollex
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    казак (ru)
    козак (ua)

    From Turkic “kazak” – “vagrant, free warrior”

    In fact the word “Kazakh” (from which “Kazakhstan” is derived) is exactly the same word.
    Initially it was “Kazak”, “k” was replaced by “kh” just to distinguish it from the Russian “kazak”.

    #474683

    NikeBG
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    Bulgarian Turkic tribe? What’s that? If you’re talking about the Bulgars, their presumed Turkic origin is highly debatable in light of the modern historiography.

    Otherwise, even the most hardcore supporters of the Turkic-origin thesis have managed to gather only about 15 supposedly Turkic words of Bulgar origin. Words like biser (pearl), chertog (palace), bъbrek (kidney), kumir (idol), kniga (book, though that one’s supposedly Chinese in origin – kuan), beleg (scar/mark), kolchan (quiver), korem (belly), pale (puppy), toyaga (staff).

    #474699

    pollex
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    @pollex

    I see that we definitely need a separate topic:
    Iranian loanwords in Slavic languages

    #474702

    pollex
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    @pollex
    #474707

    pollex
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    @pollex

    bъbrek

    @nikebg
    It’s difficult to read or search  in Bulgarian dictionaries words where Latin and Cyrillic characters are mixed. Could You please use only Cyrillic characters  for Bulgarian words? (As far as I know Bulgarians do not have own version of Latin ABC as Serbians and Belorusians?)

    Thank You.

    #474708

    pollex
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    @pollex

    The origin of “кумиръ” is unknown. May be it’s Semitic.

    #474710

    pollex
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    @pollex

    “бисер” is Arabic
    “чертог” is Persian

    #474711

    pollex
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    @pollex

    @nikebg “Bulgars, their presumed Turkic origin is highly debatable”

    I’m afraid that its debatable only for some Bulgarians but not for the rest of the world:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgar_language

    #474754

    NikeBG
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    It’s debatable for actual historians and archaeologists, not internet amateurs and Western copycats.
    http://www.kroraina.com/bulgar/rashev.html
    http://www.kroraina.com/fadlan/besh.html

    #478098

    pollex
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    ułan (pl) – uhlan (type of cavalry armed with lances)

    from Tatar (or Mongolian?) “oghlan”– young warrior.

    Polish songs about uhlans:

    “Hej, hej ułani malowane dzieci”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98GNU4FKsvA

    “Przybyli ułani pod okienko”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUqA0s57P50

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