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    Anonymous

    I don't know if this topic exists already or not, but I am curious (especially from Ukrainian users) what will happen next. We all know that Ukraine is probably one of most divided nations on earth when it comes to geopolitical leanings and politics.We know that Ukrainians in Central and West are more pro-European, speak Ukrainian, belong to either Ukrainian Orthodox, Greek Catholic or Roman Catholic Churches and are prone to nationalism and we know that Ukrainians in South and East are more pro-Russian, speak Russian, belong to Russian Orthodox Church and are prone to anti-fascism.We know also, that whether or not Ukrainians belong in Western camp or Eastern camp, that they all feel that they are Ukrainians and do not wish to see their country split.

    Problem now is Ukrainian elections are coming up and I frankly do not see anyone taking over the would be able to unite this country given how different both parts of Ukraine are.Let us say Yanukovich or new government win next elections, what will be next for Ukraine? What do you foresee as next developments?

    #429981

    Anonymous

    South-east to Russia and the rest as a new Ukraine with its real borders. I ve been always wondered why is Ukraine so big. Just look at the past: Kijevan Rus – Russian Empire – Soviet Union – Ukraine ??? Wtf!

    #429982

    Anonymous

    Speaking Russian language has little in common with national self-identification of people in Ukraine. There are many of Russian speaking Ukrainian patriots, wishing Ukraine to stay united. New generations of people have tend to switch on speaking Ukrainian language predominantly.

    I'd vote for the second option, because Ukraine is not strong enough to resist against the Russian intervention lonely, and West countries are too coward either bound by some kinds of agreements with putin.

    But currently, Russia is collecting artillery and tank forces (apparently to protect shy Russian speakers against super dangerous hooligans) near the East borders of Ukraine:

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    It's very possible they will occupy the East regions to get land connection between Crimea and Russia.

    #429983

    Anonymous

    Yeah, I only hope there would be no war. We would be forced to fight on the same side with Germans.

    Germans have never won. Bad sign.

    #429984

    Anonymous
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    Germans have never won. Bad sign.

    Well, that isn't true either …

    #429985

    Anonymous

    No matter, I just wanted to put my post here.

    #429986

    Anonymous
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    No matter, I just wanted to put my post here.

    Damn, didn't even see it's you because you chanded the avatar! ;D Anyhow, I think nothing will really happen (or better said, I hope so).

    #429987

    Anonymous
    Quote:
    Speaking Russian language has little in common with national self-identification of people in Ukraine. There are many of Russian speaking Ukrainian patriots, wishing Ukraine to stay united. New generations of people have tend to switch on speaking Ukrainian language predominantly.

    I'd vote for the second option, because Ukraine is not strong enough to resist against the Russian intervention lonely, and West countries are too coward either bound by some kinds of agreements with putin.

    But currently, Russia is collecting artillery and tank forces (apparently to protect shy Russian speakers against super dangerous hooligans) near the East borders of Ukraine:

    It's very possible they will occupy the East regions to get land connection between Crimea and Russia.

    I agree with this scenario. The West isn't going to intervene militarily. If Russia moves farther into the mainland, then possibly NATO might attempt a no-fly zone. Otherwise, I think at this point, whatever Putin wants, Putin will get, as far as the eastern regions of Ukraine are concerned.

    As for the poll, I voted "Ukraine will lose Crimea." That's all I can say for sure, at this point. However, it doesn't look good for the eastern regions, from a Ukrainian standpoint.

    #429988

    Anonymous

    If they asked me I'd divide it in as many parts as necessary to achieve ethnically and culturally homogenous states. Once that is achieved Ukrainians will get a ukrainian government and anti-fascists will get an anti-fascist government and everyone will be happy. (funny thing is, I've always considered stalinist socialism the closest thing to fascism outside of Italy, so pro-soviet anti-fascists is something of an oxymoron imo).

    #429989

    Anonymous

    Now, aaaaa, seems to me one of a few members who sincerely care for national states.

    #429990

    Anonymous
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    NATO might attempt a no-fly zone.

    ATTEMPT is the key word. But its impossible.

    #429991

    Anonymous
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    ATTEMPT is the key word. But its impossible.

    Exactly. ;)

    #429992

    Anonymous
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    South-east to Russia and the rest as a new Ukraine with its real borders. I ve been always wondered why is Ukraine so big. Just look at the past: Kijevan Rus – Russian Empire – Soviet Union – Ukraine ??? Wtf!

    I found this map, although I don't know if it is accurate from historical point of view, but it gives some idea

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    Yellow area – Ukraine till total regime 1654
    Beige-pink area – Gifts from Russian tzars 1654-1917
    Blue area (Newrussia, Donbass) – Gift from Lenin in 1922
    Red area (North Bukovina, West Ukraine) – Gift from Stalin 1939-1940
    Green area (Crimea) – Gift from Khrushchev – 1954

    #429993

    Anonymous

    Prelja, wonder, who has posted this map some 2.5 years ago? The today ardent supporter of integrity of Ukraine.
    http://www.slavorum.com/forum/index.php?topic=539.msg5605#msg5605

    #429994

    Anonymous
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    Prelja, wonder, who has posted this map some 2.5 years ago? The today ardent supporter of integrity of Ukraine.
    http://www.slavorum.com/forum/index.php?topic=539.msg5605#msg5605

    Actually I found this map on another forum. Is it accurate or not?

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