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    Anonymous

    Now Poles worry that visa-free travel may lure them to the rest of the EU 

    POLAND’S most visible labour market begins shortly after dawn. About 30 women and a similar number of men wait in separate groups beside a road half an hour’s drive south of Warsaw. The eager stand at the kerb, craning their necks to search for cars. The more resigned slump in the shade of a tree or pace about, smoking. When a Volvo pulls up they dash towards it, awaiting offers of work. The youngest is 20, the oldest a gap-toothed 53-year-old. All of them are Ukrainian.

    The number of Ukrainians in Poland has soared since fighting began in eastern Ukraine in 2014. There is no definitive figure, but around 1m are estimated to be working in Poland at any given time. Most did not flee the war but its economic consequences: a recession that lasted two years, unemployment and a plunging currency.

    They can earn five times more than at home, picking tomatoes, mixing cement or driving for Uber, the ride-hailing firm. Companies can register them to work for six months at a time, but some, like those at the roadside, work illegally. Ivan, 28, knocks back an energy drink as he waits to choose his next boss. “No sleep!” he explains. “Work, work, work.”

    Employers are chipper. A tumbling birth rate and the emigration of 2m Poles to other European Union countries has shrunk the labour supply. Unemployment is at its lowest since 1991 and the economy is surging. The Union of Entrepreneurs and Employers (ZPP) says 5m more workers are needed to sustain growth over the next three decades. As Katarzyna Sidlo of Warsaw’s Centre for Social and Economic Research points out, Ukrainians alone will not be enough to plug the gap, but they help. One businessman says he hires Ukrainian plumbers because they cost half as much as Poles and are “very respectable”.

    In 2013 there were only 527 temporary foreign workers in the central Polish town of Kalisz. Now there are nearly 10,700. Most are Ukrainian. In March a Ukrainian priest arrived to minister to the migrants in their own language, one of 15 being posted across Poland. Karolina Pawliczak, the deputy mayor, welcomes the newcomers. “Poles can pick and choose” jobs, she says. Ukrainians “are saving our labour market”.

    Voters are ambivalent about the newcomers. In a survey in 2016, 63% told CBOS, a pollster, that Ukrainians are good for the economy. But a similar number said the government should restrict the flow of migrants from the east. Meanwhile, government ministers invoke the influx of Ukrainians as an excuse for defying EU demands to accept refugees from the Middle East, saying their country is already shouldering the burden of migration from a war-torn country. In fact, most of the Ukrainians are economic migrants from the country’s peaceful areas. Only a few hundred apply for refugee status in Poland each year, and in 2016 just 16 received it.

    Firms now fret that the stream of cheap labour could soon dry up. Rules introduced in May allow Ukrainians to travel in the EU (but not Britain and Ireland) for 90 days without a visa. They cannot work, but Polish employers worry that will change, and that many will find black-market jobs in the meantime. In the past few weeks, plenty have visited the Polish offices of Work Service, a temporary staffing agency, asking for help getting work further west.

    ZPP wants the government to induce Ukrainians to stay in Poland by granting an amnesty to those working illegally. Alternatively, jokes its president, Cezary Kazmierczak, it should cut off power two nights a week to keep Poles at home in the evening. When a curfew was imposed in the 1980s, the birth rate soared.

    https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725707-now-poles-worry-visa-free-travel-may-lure-them-rest-eu-ukrainian-immigrants-are

    #441425

    Anonymous

    @Karpivna damn hard working ukrainians

    #441426

    Anonymous

    “sustained growth” is one of the shortests jokes around . If you don’t get it, type “growth curve” in google images.
    Yet, modern economies are predicated on “sustained growth” because they have permanently rising costs – which are interest on borrowed money, social security and the public sector. This makes “boom and bust cycles” inevitable. In other words, it’s always sustained growth until the suckers lose everything.
    This arrangement is also known as a Ponzi Scheme or a Pyramid and biblically as “Sacrificing your children to Molech” … although maybe Mammon would be more appropriate in this case.

    #441429

    Anonymous

    > “In fact, most of the Ukrainians are economic migrants from the country’s peaceful areas.”
    I love the Economist’s hypocrisy in this – most of the Ukrainians are economic migrants, but the ones swarming in from the East and North Africa are not, you see, they’re full-fledged refugees.

    #441430

    Anonymous

    @NikeBG, well, if they come to terk er jerbs – they’re economic migrants, if they come to get taken care of, forever, they’re refugees. Simple.

    #441431

    Anonymous

    NikeBG 
    Ukraine is not really a warzone. Most Ukrainian refugees went to Russia, the rest went to Ukraine. Those going to Poland aren’t refugees. If they are refugees then those coming from the Middle-East and Africa must be some kind of super-refugees.

    #441432

    Anonymous

    My point is that most of those coming from the Middle East and Africa (with the exceptions of Syria and Iraq) are not war refugees either, but mostly economic migrants. Except, as aaaaa pointed out, many of them have no intention to work.

    #441433

    Anonymous

    @NikeBG They understand the essence of life – Minimum effort, maximum gain. :D

    #441440

    Anonymous

    NikeBG War is not the only reason to be a refugee. And to say that the majority has no intention to work is unfounded propaganda. Don’t be gullible.

    #441441

    Anonymous

    I see nowadays it’s trendy to use one particular word for everything that we don’t want to agree with. This word is magical, every thesis and every theory, every single claim can be “defeated” by using this word. And the word is “propaganda”. No matter what kind of propaganda it is, every single time someone is using this word it means something is a lie. Of course, someone may add an adjective before “propaganda”, like the above, which is supposed to look more serious and convincing.

    You believe Earth is a globe? It’s a western propaganda! It’s a lie! The Earth is flat! Have you been in the space, have you seen it? No? The American films always show you it’s a globe, they have an agenda, it’s a propaganda and Earth if flat! 

    You see a cat in Svevlad’s avatar? It’s another propaganda, it serves some mysterious purpose. It’s meant to deceive you, to keep you misinformed. It’s what Svevlad wants you to believe in, while in reality it’s not a simple cat but a fucking lion! Photoshop was very helpful to make it look like a peaceful cat.

    Syrian refugees from North and Central Africa are very peaceful and hardworking people, they speak a lot of languages, because they have to – they don’t know where they will work so they learned Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, English and German, schools in Africa are marvelous. And the majority is skilled in all kind of labour. They also understand our culture perfectly and are willing to respect it, they love it after all! That’s why they’re coming here! Don’t believe anybody who tells you otherwise, because it’s unfounded propaganda. 

    #441444

    Anonymous

    GaiusCoriolanus That’s not what the word propaganda means. But NikeBG’s claim about refugees is indeed a lie.

    #441405

    Anonymous

    Austrian women force the refugee immigrants to be their sex slaves. 
    http://www.dasbiber.at/content/sugar-mamas-und-ihre-fluechtlinge

    When women exploit refugees

    Melisa Erkurt and Bilal Albeirouti

    Das Biber

    We’ve all heard the sad tales of migrant girls trafficked in the sex trade, said Melisa Erkurt and Bilal Albeirouti. But what about young migrant men? 

    In Austria, men from Iraq and elsewhere who can’t find work are increasingly being adopted by “sugar mamas”—older Austrian women “who give the refugees a place to stay, money, and gifts and, in return, demand sex.” At first glance, “it may seem like a win-win deal.” After all, we’re talking about consenting adults. But the men, who often speak little German, are utterly helpless in the relationship. 

    One Iraqi man, Hasan, 24, said his patroness gives him expensive food and wine and a gym membership but doesn’t let him meet anyone else, ever. Tarek, 26, from Syria, said that when he finally broke free from his 51-year-old Austrian sugar mama, she stalked him and tried to get him fired from a job and kicked out of an apartment. 

    These men, from deeply patriarchal cultures, often don’t seek help because they are so ashamed at being dependent on a woman. “There is a great dependency, not only mentally, but also materially,” says Manfred Buchner of the Men’s Health Center. “When distress and great material differences are exploited to satisfy the sexual desires of the rich, it’s abuse.”

    #441398

    Anonymous

    Let’s face it, at least one part of the economy they are powering up is Ukrainian Women finding and mating with Polish men who have fewer Polish women to choose from with the large number of them moving to Western Europe Canada and the US. 

    The Ukraine has millions more women than men and therefore have to look for suitable men in a country where the male/female ratio is closer to 1:1. Which means with many more women than men in Russia, Belarus, Lithuania Armenia Georgia Latvia and Estonia; Ukrainian women have to look West to find men. 

    No doubt these stats make Polish men happy. Perhaps the Polish government should invite more Ukrainian women to come to Poland in order to increase the number of children born.

    #441389

    Anonymous

    @VacationGuru aren’t you a bit paranoid? There are a lot of Polish women here who are with Polish men, Ukrainian women coming here changes nothing in a broad picture.

    But of course I don’t mind Ukrainian women coming here :D

    #441397

    Anonymous

    The best way to deal with “refugees” is to slaughter some and impale their severed heads along the border. The benefit would be two-fold:
    1. Many will be discouraged from coming over, The rest will provide extra heads. We’ll enjoy refugeelessness.
    2. The impact would be great and the word will spread wide, thus discouraging many from taking a perilous journey, thus saving lives. I call this the humanitarian perspective.

    P.S:
    Shortly after I posted this, a further optimization occurred to me: you don’t need to kill them, then sever their heads then impale them on stakes along the border – you could skip several steps by just impaling them as they are, saving manhours without losing any of the effect.

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