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    Anonymous

    Gaulish chieftains from fourth and third century BC have names whose clear etymology is preserved in Serbian. Breton, Welsh, Irish, Lithuanian and Slavic languages are the only ones which share "vran" as a word for raven and crow, but only Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Polish languages use Vran, Vron as a word for black. Slavic languages are the only ones which have preserved the old word "Bran" meaning to defend, protect. Yet celtic languages have chieftain title brannan identical to serbian branjan….Interesting to say the least.

    http://oldeuropeanculture.blogspot.ie/2014/04/bran-vran.html

    #431707

    Anonymous

    What does branjan mean? Never heard of such a word.

    #431708

    Anonymous

    why does so much of this crap come from serbia specifically?

    #431709

    Anonymous
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    why does so much of this crap come from serbia specifically?

    tsk tsk tsk you never heard of ancient Vranobranović Serbian family who ruled over Gauls? Ignorant!

    #431710

    Anonymous
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    why does so much of this crap come from serbia specifically?

    It's part of a game, popular over the Balkans, called "Who was where first". In this game you have to use pseudo-history and folk etymology to prove that your ancestors were somewhere before others. "Facts", which you invent in this game then should – in some magical way – force others to leave and to give their land back to your people and with this, eternal peace of your nation can be restored again. :-)

    PS: Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Polish language are not only languages, which use word with root "vran" for black.

    #431711

    Anonymous

    vraný as a black, is preserved also in czech language, today mostly as a poetic form.

    here is something about celtic hero, Bran mac Febala.
    http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/branvoyage.html

    #431712

    Anonymous
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    why does so much of this crap come from serbia specifically?

    to be honest, not only from Serbia, those teories about slavs, you can find in Slovenija, Czech, Slovak, Russia, Italia too,

    http://www.korenine.si/korenine.htm#zborniki

    here you can find so called "celto-slavic similarities"
    http://www.korenine.si/zborniki.htm#2006

    http://www.academia.edu/422133/The_making_of_the_Slavs_Slavic_ethnogenesis_revisited

    #431713

    Anonymous

    Truly, it amazes me how much crap and BS can be produced in our region, if I count us to the Balkans aswell this time … What is interesting, there are tons of such things like the Venetian theory from Slovenia, Gothic and Iranian theories from Croatia, god knows what all from other countries, yet noone of these people come here to anounce their holy truth and force us to take it as our own. All we see are these representatives from nebeški narod.

    If I only had the time, I'd start with all the Hervardi and dr. Šavli crap. My god, I'd turn you all into Venetians. ;D Then you'd see what real pseudo history means. 8)

    #431714

    Anonymous
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    Polish languages use Vran, Vron as a word for black.

    No. Polish word for black is "czarny". We have a word "wrona" which means a crow. But there is no connection between any vrans or vrons and black.

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    Slavic languages are the only ones which have preserved the old word "Bran" meaning to defend, protect.

    "Bronić" in Polish.

    We have also a verb "brać" – to take. So we have "brany" – taken, and "branka" which has two meanings: one is a woman taken as a slave (mostly during wars but in more far away history, for example this Amazon woman taken by Achilles) and taking to the army (I forgot how is "przymusowy pobór" in English).

    #431715

    Anonymous
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    to be honest, not only from Serbia, those teories about slavs, you can find in Slovenija, Czech, Slovak, Russia, Italia too,

    http://www.korenine.si/korenine.htm#zborniki

    here you can find so called "celto-slavic similarities"
    http://www.korenine.si/zborniki.htm#2006

    http://www.academia.edu/422133/The_making_of_the_Slavs_Slavic_ethnogenesis_revisited

    Yes, but they are all Serbs so no problem

    #431716

    Anonymous

    Proto-Celtic *brano– and SC vran are not etymologicaly connected. The change *wr- to *br- would be irregular in Proto-Celtic, on the other hand Slavic word vran could have existed in such shape only after the 10th century and only in South Slavic and some West Slavic dialects. That word descends from Proto-Slavic *vornŭ, it went through the liquid metathesis with vowel lengthening at the end of the 8th century and from the 10th century the week yers were gradualy lost; vranŭ > vran.

    [img width=700 height=195]http://i.imgur.com/SLZuZEz.png” />

    [img width=700 height=138]http://i.imgur.com/4fkWH4W.png” />

    [size=8pt]Ranko Matasović; Etymological Dictionary of Proto-Celtic, 2009, 73-74[/size]

    Proto-Celtic *brano– is etymologicaly unrelated to Serbo-Croatian words such as brana, odbrana, braniti as well.

    Those Serbo-Croatian words are derived from Proto-Slavic *borna, I would have to mention Slavic metathesis of liquids again; *born- > bran- and say that Slavic bran- form would have been possible only from the end of the 8th century onwards and only in South Slavic and some West Slavic dialects.

    #431717

    Anonymous
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    why does so much of this crap come from serbia specifically?

    Because Serbia became a fertile ground for various conspiracy theories.The level of paranoia increased during the last 2-3 years from what I've seen on some internet forums (might be the same posters though).There is the main story that Serbia is the victim of a global Vatican/U.S.A./EU conspiracy,and then there are all the other side stories ranging from Spartacus the Serb to UFO-s and what not.
    I remember having a book about something called the teaching of light written by a guy named Raul Amon.It was quite an interesting read about an order of warriors of light who battle evil in the world,and how they gain powers through meditation,etc.Later it turned out that Raul Amon is actually a Serbian guy that moved to Sweden,and that he made the whole thing up.

    #431718

    Anonymous
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    No. Polish word for black is "czarny". We have a word "wrona" which means a crow. But there is no connection between any vrans or vrons and black.

    do you have term like "wrony kon" in polish ?
    in czech we have " vraník" which is a black horse.

    #431719

    Anonymous
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    .There is the main story that Serbia is the victim of a global Vatican/U.S.A./EU conspiracy,

    It is not conspiracy. Certain pressure from USA, NATO, EU towards Serbia exist.
    Bombing Serbia couple of years ago is not any conspiracy, but a reality.

    #431720

    Anonymous
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    It is not conspiracy. Certain pressure from USA, NATO, EU towards Serbia exist.
    Bombing Serbia couple of years ago is not any conspiracy, but a reality.

    There is certain pressure from the aforementioned sources towards the all of the ex-yu and ex-communist countries.No need to blow it out of proportions.

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