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    Anonymous

    What policy do you think it fits better to you? What line would you choose for your country? I think that democracy is only a utopia that only serves to divide and weaken a State. In fact the people are divided, they can choose right-wing, centrism or left-wing. In each one of them there are a myriad of political parties and there can be no force in such a State. Democracy exists only because there is nobody who wants to take responsibility for making decisions. Thats why I don't choose Democracy. Anarchism, city-state, feudalism are not for me. Maybe Monarchy but I choose AuthoritarianFascism in particular. I think there should be a strong person in power, who cares about the welfare of their people, of course nationally. He must listen to the wishes of the people, in fact, fascism has got "The Grand Council of Fascism", but must make decisions alone.

    I hope that every one has his own personal opinion. I also hope that eventually we will give battle!  ;)

    #351739

    Anonymous

    I'm in for something that has an intelligent use of socialism, since i do want to live better and not under a boot, so i'd expect some ideal government to be very social aware and work for the benefit of it's people and it's countries integrity and heritage…that's all that matters imo.

    I mean, i'm definitely not in for some totalitarian regime as National Socialism or Communism…it's just bad to live that way without personal freedom. In NS everybody was paranoid about who's a jew and who isn't and how you must act and what you must do, while in communism people even weren't allowed to speak from which country originally they hail from or god forbid posses a flag of their country. So, i'm definitely not for that kind of stuff, i'm usually sick of people anyway even in these liberal times, i guess i'd crack up crazy in some totalitarian regime…

    In case of a totalitarian regime, i'd probably pack my bags and run off to live in woods/mountains alone or something :D

    #351740

    Anonymous

    Despite all its flaws, democracy is in my opinion still the best form of government that we have. What would be the ideal form of government ? No idea.

    #351741

    Anonymous
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    I mean, i'm definitely not in for some totalitarian regime as National Socialism or Communism…it's just bad to live that way without personal freedom. In NS everybody was paranoid about who's a jew and who isn't and how you must act and what you must do, while in communism people even weren't allowed to speak from which country originally they hail from or god forbid posses a flag of their country. So, i'm definitely not for that kind of stuff, i'm usually sick of people anyway even in these liberal times, i guess i'd crack up crazy in some totalitarian regime…

    In case of a totalitarian regime, i'd probably pack my bags and run off to live in woods/mountains alone or something :D

    I think you have an distorted vision of totalitarian regime like Fascism or Nazism, 'cause it is distorted in historical books on purpose. Nazists or Fascists do a really lot for they people, yes its true that the oppositors were arrested and sometimes killed, but how can you expect to change the clouded minds of many people in a short period of time? There must be a "rieducational program". The social struggles made by these regimes were not as you think, only overwhelming, it was mainly for the benefit of the people. To do the things you have to use the iron fist, people are not inclined to radical change, therefore, adopted a tough policy. In democracy there will always be division and there will never be a unity. Fascists and Nazis have figured this out, they realized that to reform a society in the sense of nationalism had to be tough. Indeed, the social achievements of these totalitarian regime were certainly much better than that in today's democracy, we have achieved.

    #351742

    Anonymous
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    I think you have an distorted vision of totalitarian regime like Fascism or Nazism, 'cause it is distorted in historical books on purpose. Nazists or Fascists do a really lot for they people, yes its true that the oppositors were arrested and sometimes killed, but how can you expect to change the clouded minds of many people in a short period of time? There must be a "rieducational program". The social struggles made by these regimes were not as you think, only overwhelming, it was mainly for the benefit of the people. To do the things you have to use the iron fist, people are not inclined to radical change, therefore, adopted a tough policy. In democracy there will always be division and there will never be a unity. Fascists and Nazis have figured this out, they realized that to reform a society in the sense of nationalism had to be tough. Indeed, the social achievements of these totalitarian regime were certainly much better than that in today's democracy, we have achieved.

    No i'm afraid you think that because you want to believe it. Same thing on example is with Communism.
    Tell me, in which political doctrine it isn't addressed as "for the benefit of the people"? Actually i don't believe they figured out anything, because Mussolini on example was stoned to death by it's own people, Germany started cleaning the opposition from the moment Hitler came in power, night of the long knives on example.
    Only thing they figured is that if you want your people to listen and subdue to your totalitarian regime without questioning you have to whip their backs. What works this way? Military mostly thought even today you get payed for being a soldier, but what these Totalitarian regimes did was the mobilization of the whole country turning civilians from free people minding their own business into an organized civilian army which will be forcibly used for some "higher cause" placed by the totalitarian regime.

    Does anyone these days tells you to get a shovel and go dig/build a new road over the weekend for no fee in return or even asking you if you want or can do so? Would you do that every weekend with a smile on your face?

    #351743

    Anonymous
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    No i'm afraid you think that because you want to believe it. Same thing on example is with Communism.
    Tell me, in which political doctrine it isn't addressed as "for the benefit of the people"? Actually i don't believe they figured out anything, because Mussolini on example was stoned to death by it's own people, Germany started cleaning the opposition from the moment Hitler came in power, night of the long knives on example.
    Only thing they figured is that if you want your people to listen and subdue to your totalitarian regime without questioning you have to whip their backs.

    Does anyone these days tells you to get a shovel and go dig/build a new road over the weekend for no fee in return or even asking you if you want or can do so?

    Well. Communism is different from the nationalist regimes. Communis look for benefit of ploretarians. Communism, as its primary goal, has the protection of workers and of workers power, they do not mention the good of all, yes its true that there must be no more class divisions, which all had to be equal to others and so on. But the roots of Communism are to be found in Marx and Engels, they have been the fathers. And they were the first to say that this should be sought with the struggle and especially the necessity of genocide. Yes, Marx and Engels were the first theoric of racial genocide and Stalin the first who makes these in practice (Ukraine 19331934 about 7 milion people died for hunger). The difference between Communism and NazismFascism is basically this, the practical need of the genocide. Where Stalin arrived, it was ordered to kill 10% of the population, only because that had been theorized. Communism have a different regime of terror then Nazism and Fascism. In Communism were all against all, as with Nazism Fascism was all right if every one recognized as the highest ideal is to belong to a nation.

    ps. Mussolini was executed by a firing squad. Not everyone was against Mussolini, perhaps 45%. Even now here in Italy, many people are proud of Mussolini and they think he did a lot of good things for the country. But these things, I repeat, to make them was to use the iron fist.

    #351744

    Anonymous
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    In Communism were all against all, as with Nazism Fascism was all right if every one recognized as the highest ideal is to belong to a nation.

    And in Communism was all right if everyone recognized their rule and their ideals as the highest ideal to belong to a Slavic social superstate.

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    ps. Mussolini was executed by a firing squad. Not everyone was against Mussolini, perhaps 45%. Even now here in Italy, many people are proud of Mussolini and they think he did a lot of good things for the country. But these things, I repeat, to make them was to use the iron fist.

    I said stoned to death in a metaphorical sense of word, my fault should have placed quotation marks. ;)

    #351745

    Anonymous
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    And in Communism was all right if everyone recognized their rule and their ideals as the highest ideal to belong to a Slavic social superstate.

    Only a Slavic social superstate? I don't think so. So why Lenin ordered the Red Army to go to Berlin? Germans are not Slavs. From what I've studied Communism does not have to stop, but take hold around the world. Why, then, their symbol (hammer and sickle), led over the world?

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    There is a big difference between wanting the good of the whole world and that of the nation. In the Soviet regime, they were all afraid. It was enough a mere suspicion to finish in the Gulag or in Siberia. No one could be safe. Instead in nationalist regimes was the opposite.

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    I said stoned to death in a metaphorical sense of word, my fault should have placed quotation marks. ;)

    Ah ok ;) ps. Finally the the battle of ideas began  ;D

    #351746

    Anonymous

    It seems that we need anything but not democracy. Democracy simply doesn't work with us.
    May be something like in Belarus will work.

    #351747

    Anonymous
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    It seems that we need anything but not democracy. Democracy simply doesn't work with us.
    May be something like in Belarus will work.

    I do not think you will ever have a ideal government for everyone. Not everyone can be satisfied. But we must keep in mind that a government should not necessarily be what we expect. Those who govern will have their own ideas (generally speaking), because his was different from ours, of course, not basic ones. So should we expect a government that does good to all people, even if some ideas will conflict with ours. For this reason I see totalitarianism as positive, because a conscious person will have in mind only the good of the people. He knows he will have difficulties, because it is ridiculous to think we can satisfy everyone, but he will take in his hand the situation of a State to make it the best he can. He will need to wield an iron fist, because if you put to hear the complaints of all, everything remain locked, there will be no progress. To revive a country, from what I have learned from history, we must make choices that will hurt. But this ideal of sacrifice is necessary to be done, otherwise we will never do anything.

    #351748

    Anonymous

    Third position ideology government (so not left or right wing).

    This is what I consider as ideal party policy:

    1. Interests of whole nation always come before everything.
    2. Minimal government bureaucracy.
    3. Voluntary, professional and large army.
    4. Against same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption.
    5. Strong opposition to EU, NATO and other NWO/ZOG organs.
    6. Promotion of culture and tradition of country in media (not propaganda though).
    7. Return of capital punishment (for murderers, rapists, paedophiles, drug dealing, organized crime and for acting against nation) as well as large penalties for any immoral acts such as corruption.
    8. Against any form of socialism and ultra-liberalism with respect to moral and economic conduct.
    9. Anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
    10. Good relations with fellow parties/governments like this across Europe.

    In terms of economy, it would be mixed economy with government providing public companies to lower unemployment to minimum, while at same time, have private sector also to promote growth of country and investment from like-minded countries.

    Vote for me !!! ;D

    #351749

    Anonymous

    Third position ideology government (so not left or right wing).

    This is what I consider as ideal party policy:

    1. Interests of whole nation always come before everything.
    2. Minimal government bureaucracy.
    3. Voluntary, professional and large army.
    4. Against same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption.
    5. Strong opposition to EU, NATO and other NWO/ZOG organs.
    6. Promotion of culture and tradition of country in media (not propaganda though).
    7. Return of capital punishment (for murderers, rapists, paedophiles, drug dealing, organized crime and for acting against nation) as well as large penalties for any immoral acts such as corruption.
    8. Against any form of socialism and ultra-liberalism with respect to moral and economic conduct.
    9. Anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
    10. Good relations with fellow parties/governments like this across Europe.

    In terms of economy, it would be mixed economy with government providing public companies to lower unemployment to minimum, while at same time, have private sector also to promote growth of country and investment from like-minded countries.

    Vote for me !!! Grin

    very nice said.  ;)

    Let me just add a couple things about democracy. It does not work with current definition of it.
    I agree that something must be built from the will of the people but state cannot be led by everyone.
    democracy in the old times was like this : several political factors fought each other and you had a choice to support one of them.  ;D
    Now seriously, it is not the will of the whole people but the will of the majority even when relations are 51 -49 %.
    That is not righteous. Also, everyone can vote and with that form a government. That means drug addicts, drug dealers,
    mafia, all kind of perverted people have the same right as normal people. All people are equal under God ( for some people – Gods, universe) but state is material factor and it is on Earth, not all people are equal there.
    also, in democracy you have opposition and position, opposition will do everything to replace position even if position is good.
    that is not for the sake of people but for the sake of control over things.

    #351750

    Anonymous

    Very well said, Krstjanin. ;) What you talk of about ancient democracy (like was in Greece) is much like today's national democracy, which I am behind also.

    This ZOG/NWO "democracy" you mentioned (where anti-social elements are considered equals in society, opposition and ratios of majority/minority) is for me not real democracy. It is too easy to corrupt and manipulate, like communism was (some are more equal than others etc.).

    #351751

    Anonymous
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    Third position ideology government (so not left or right wing).

    This is what I consider as ideal party policy:

    1. Interests of whole nation always come before everything.
    2. Minimal government bureaucracy.
    3. Voluntary, professional and large army.
    4. Against same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption.
    5. Strong opposition to EU, NATO and other NWO/ZOG organs.
    6. Promotion of culture and tradition of country in media (not propaganda though).
    7. Return of capital punishment (for murderers, rapists, paedophiles, drug dealing, organized crime and for acting against nation) as well as large penalties for any immoral acts such as corruption.
    8. Against any form of socialism and ultra-liberalism with respect to moral and economic conduct.
    9. Anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism.
    10. Good relations with fellow parties/governments like this across Europe.

    In terms of economy, it would be mixed economy with government providing public companies to lower unemployment to minimum, while at same time, have private sector also to promote growth of country and investment from like-minded countries.

    Vote for me !!! ;D

    First of all, that's not third position, that's some heavy right-wing.
    1. Partially agree. Basic human right are more important. There's also another thing that would be more important, but I won't talk about that now, because that is something that doesn't exist, it's my own idea.
    2. I agree.
    3. I'm not sure, I think I do agree.
    4. I agree.
    5. Absolutely disagree. Pro-EU, pro-NATO.
    6. I agree.
    7. This is something I've thought about, and I'm not sure yet, but even if I decide to support capital punishment, it certainly wouldn't be allowed in regular situations as you propose.
    8. OK, I have no idea what that means.
    9. I disagree.
    10. Why not?

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    Also, everyone can vote and with that form a government. That means drug addicts, drug dealers,
    mafia, all kind of perverted people have the same right as normal people. All people are equal under God ( for some people – Gods, universe) but state is material factor and it is on Earth, not all people are equal there.

    Yes, this is something that bugs me a lot as well. One man – one vote is a bad sistem. This is what I'm thinking. If someone went to jail for some minor crime, he doesn't have the right to vote for a year. If someone killed or raped someone than he can't vote for the rest of his life. And there would be steps between those two.
    On the other hand we have people like intellectuals (in Serbia those would be members of SANU) and those who serve the country like pregnant women and some higher rank soldiers. Their voice should count for two.

    #351752

    Anonymous
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    Despite all its flaws, democracy is in my opinion still the best form of government that we have. What would be the ideal form of government ? No idea.

    x2
    I gave you + reputation for this. You said exactly what I wanted to say when I saw this topic.

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