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    Anonymous

    Was it pronounced with a vowel after the prefix "s-" (so-?) or was it simply something like svet? I'm asking this since in Romanian we have the word sfat which comes from OCS. In my dictionary it is the OCS etymon (I hope that's the right term) had one of those typically OCS phonemes after the "s-". I know that in Slovene it's nasvet without any vowel. In my Bulgarian-language grammar of Serbo-Croatian it says that the lack of vowel prefix is a "Croatian" feature (Serbs apparently use more "sa-/su-" prefix than "s-") I suppose "Croatian" feature translates as either Chakavian or Kaykavian influence of standard Shtokavian Croatian. Seeing that it's also present in Slovene (at least in this word) it should be Kaykavian (but maybe also Chakavian). How come such a word is present in Romanian when Bulgarian has "syvet" (y is the typical Bulgarian phonem)? There are more words with apparent Slovene origin in Romanian.

    #407121

    Anonymous

    съвѣтъ.

    #407122

    Anonymous

    So this word doesn't come from OCS but from local Slavic dialects? Did the prefix in OCS always contain the vowel съ or in other words it was simply с?

    #407123

    Anonymous

    In OCS ъ was a short vowel, which was dropped in most Slavic languages. I don't know what was the pronunciation of Church Slavonic in Romania, it's possible that ъ was also dropped here.

    #407124

    Anonymous

    Savjet in Croatian. Dunno about OCS.

    #407125

    Anonymous

    Savjet seems to have a bit different etymology, according to Wiktionary it comes from *savětъ, not sъvětъ, but I think that this (prefix sa-) may be a variation of the prefix sъ-, sъn-, sǫ- (cf. Polish sąsiad "neighbour", sumienie (Old Polish sąmnienie), "conscience"), all meaning "with".

    #407126

    Anonymous

    съвѣтъ > sŭvětŭ (paste in the Google Translate for Czech language and listen to the pronounciation)

    ъ was or is pronounced as a "reduced vowel" ŭ, which one hardly recognises (put Сёмка and съёмка in the Google Translator for Russian and press listen)

    #407127

    Anonymous

    Savet. We were reading like it on classes, I dont think anybody anywhere would insist on reconstruction of original pronounciation. Also, your grammar is wrong. Lack of vowel is Štokavian as well, jsut Serbs under influence of OCS and latter CS use both versions, like zbor and sabor.

    #407128

    Anonymous
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    Savet. We were reading like it on classes, I dont think anybody anywhere would insist on reconstruction of original pronounciation. Also, your grammar is wrong. Lack of vowel is Štokavian as well, jsut Serbs under influence of OCS and latter CS use both versions, like zbor and sabor.

    This means that svet existed in earlier stages of Serbo-Croatian?

    #407129

    Anonymous

    Yes. It is preserved in folk poetry.

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