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  • #341669

    Anonymous

    Silesia?

    Rusynia?

    Sorbia?

    Transnistria?

    #351335

    Anonymous

    In the first place Lužické Serbja. After all genocides and Germanisations, they managed to preserve national being and deserve the right to a sovereign state, otherwise it will inevitably disappear as a nation.

    #351337

    Anonymous

    In my point of view, definitely Ruthenians/Rusnaci in north-east carpathians and Lusatian Sorbs in eastern Germany. But that Sorbs case I see as not possible in present day conditions. The Ruthenian case is much more probable and acceptable.

    #351338

    Anonymous
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    In my point of view, definitely Ruthenians/Rusnaci in north-east carpathians and Lusatian Sorbs in eastern Germany. But that Sorbs case I see as not possible in present day conditions. The Ruthenian case is much more probable and acceptable.

    I think Sorbs are a too small community to be some kind of a state since there's around 80,000 of them, don't you think? Thought it would be shame if they would completely assimilate into Germany, they have well preserved their Slavdom even after all this time.

    #351339

    Anonymous
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    I think Sorbs are a too small community to be able to actually for some kind of a state since there's around 80,000 of them, don't you think? Thought it would be shame if they would completely assimilate into Germany, thought they have well preserved their Slavdom even after all this time.

    Exactly, their low numbers are their ultimate obstacle to gain any kind of autonomy.

    #351340

    Anonymous

    Personally, I think Sorbs and Rusyns deserve it most. As small as their nations are, they deserve own home state. Germany as compensation should get Switzerland, Austria and Liechtenstein, since they are all Germans anyway. Ukraine could get compensated with Transnistria.

    Silesians and Kaszubians together with Poles make one one nation, Lechitic branch of Western Slavs, so they are in right country, though indeed perhaps as compromise, Poland could be renamed to Lechia.

    Transnistria, I don't know, but I don't think Moldova should be partitioned, unless they rejoin with Romania (which they should), then it should become part of Ukrainel.

    #351341

    Anonymous
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    Personally, I think Sorbs and Rusyns deserve it most. As small as their nations are, they deserve own home state. Germany as compensation should get Switzerland, Austria and Liechtenstein, since they are all Germans anyway. Ukraine could get compensated with Transnistria.

    Silesians and Kaszubians together with Poles make one one nation, Lechitic branch of Western Slavs, so they are in right country, though indeed perhaps as compromise, Poland could be renamed to Lechia.

    Transnistria, I don't know, but I don't think Moldova should be partitioned, unless they rejoin with Romania (which they should), then it should become part of Ukrainel.

    Well this is how the thing are at the moment:

    Rusyns – 1.2 million (but scattered around Europe)
    Sorbs – 70,000
    Silesians – Germany: ~3,600,000

    Imo only Silesians are able to ask for autonomy since there is 3 600 000 of them, which would be a smaller but efficient country as Slovenia for example. Thought Sorbs are too small while Rusyns are too scattered so i think both of them should just keep and preserve their identity.

    #351342

    Anonymous
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    Well this is how the thing are at the moment:

    Rusyns – 1.2 million (but scattered around Europe)
    Sorbs – 70,000
    Silesians – Germany: ~3,600,000

    Unofficially, there are more of them. I even heard about almost half a million of Luzicki Serby.
    First autonomy, than independency!

    #351343

    Anonymous

    Pentaz

    3,600,000 in Germany alone.  There are about 2,000,000 of them in Poland and another 1,000,000 in Czechia. This would make 6,600,000 of them, more than Slovakia or Croatia. ;)

    About Rusyns, yes, they are scattered all over Eastern Europe, but I think their homeland would be in what is now NW Ukraine/SE Poland/NE Slovakia, like on that map. Rest should move there.

    Dervan

    Do you mean partial Sorbian ancestry or wholly Sorbian ancestry? Through Germanization over years, I think it is truly impossible to tell today exactly who is pure Sorb and who not in East Germany.

    #351344

    Anonymous

    Do you mean partial Sorbian ancestry or wholly Sorbian ancestry? Through Germanization over years, I think it is truly impossible to tell today exactly who is pure Sorb and who not in East Germany.

    I thought on modern number of people who have a sense of belonging to Serbian nation, but concealing that. That told me one gastarbeiter from eastern Germany. They still have some kind of fear to declare themself as Serbs (after hundreds of years of persecution, killings etc.)

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    #351345

    Anonymous

    Personally, I completely agree with Dervan. In my opinion, only authonomy and subsequently an independent Sorbian country would prevent the Sorbs from ultimate germanization. It does not mind that it is a small people. How many people live in Vatican, San Marino, Monaco and Luxembourgh? And still, they have their independent countries.

    #351346

    Anonymous

    I can only vote for those nations which are behind the border of slavic teritory, so I vote for Sorbs. I don t consider this thread very usefull as well, because it uselessly expands ideas of separation whis is one the hugest barriers for unification of slavic nations.

    #351347

    Anonymous
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    I can only vote for those nations which are behind the border of slavic teritory, so I vote for Sorbs. I don t consider this thread very usefull as well, because it uselessly expands ideas of separation whis is one the hugest barriers for unification of slavic nations.

    What do you mean by "unification" of Slavic nations? As in one big Slavia or Slavonia, where all Slavic countries merage into one nation?

    #351348

    Anonymous

    Maybe I used incorrect term. I mean there is too many rivality between slavic nations. Just look at the Balkan region. We must stop that. And in the case of Slavic Union, I regard this solution as a plan B for us, when I see what is happening in the EU. Maybe, if one day Slavic Union become a reality, this issue will not be such dangerous for us. But in these times spreading separatistic ideas between our nations is precisely what our enemies want. It is puting a sword to our enemies hands.

    #351349

    Anonymous
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    I can only vote for those nations which are behind the border of slavic teritory, so I vote for Sorbs. I don t consider this thread very usefull as well, because it uselessly expands ideas of separation whis is one the hugest barriers for unification of slavic nations.

    And what about Transnistria?

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